"The court should not order an unsuccessful claimant to pay the costs of (indistinct) attending an oral hearing and successfully resisting an application for permission except in exceptional circumstances and such circumstances may consist in [...]" and then there are a number of factors. LORD JUSTICE SALES: Yes, thank you. 48. "
"No, no, no we are not going to agree to rule out any claim for costs, including costs of the hearing. We want to see what happened."