"In my opinion Mr Fleischmann's thoughts and feelings underpinning his offending behaviour are greatly distorted". "
"In my opinion, Mr Fleischmann's level of risk is likely to be lowered if his knowledge and understanding of the thoughts and feelings that underpin his offending behaviour can be increased. This I believe would improve his ability to devise effective relapse prevention strategies. It is my view that these objectives are most likely to be achieved by him being subjected to a lengthy period of statutory supervision." "
"I am satisfied that he was suffering from a depressive episode at the time these offences took place but I find it difficult to relate his mental state to the offending behaviour in the absence of any admission from him that the pornographic images were sexually arousing"
"I find it difficult to accept that he would have looked at such a large number of images, over a significant period of time, simply as a way of punishing himself for his failings in other areas"
"I find it challenging to comment on the risk of direct harm to any child which Mr Fleischmann may encounter as psychiatry is very poor at identifying those individuals who will translate their fantasy life into behaviour in terms of contact with children"
"In the absence of any such pointers I conclude, tentatively, that Mr Fleischmann probably poses a low risk of direct harm to children. Given the difficulties with risk assessment in general, I would see this as being the most sympathetic view which could be given in a case such as this"
"I find it difficult to accept that he would have looked at such a large number of images, over a significant period of time, simply as a way of punishing himself for his failings in other areas"
"I find it challenging to comment on the risk of direct harm to any child which Mr Fleischmann may encounter as psychiatry is very poor at identifying those individuals who will translate their fantasy life into behaviour in terms of contact with children"
"In the absence of any such pointers I conclude, tentatively, that Mr Fleischmann probably poses a low risk of direct harm to children. Given the difficulties with risk assessment in general, I would see this as being the most sympathetic view which could be given in a case such as this"
"All of these are factors [being a reference to the circumstances of the offence] which are of some considerable seriousness and gravity and there is no doubt in my mind that this is a case which, on those grounds, would ordinarily justify a custodial sentence and the guideline case suggests that for this sort of matter, it is something in the order of anything between twelve months and three years' imprisonment"
"I accept what I have been told; that that is the case and that is, I emphasise, stress which occurred and which had a cause and effect in making you commit this offence, not stress which has arisen because of the fact that you have been detected and are now facing the consequences. It is important perhaps to make that particular distinction". "
"All of this would have given me serious pause for consideration. I think, however, that what I am going to find to be decisive, the deciding factor, which I treat as being most important is the fact that both your mother and your mother in law are in a very poor state of health. They are, I am told, very substantially personally dependent upon you and by that I mean that you are the person who is actually looking after them and I am told and I am prepared to accept, and I have heard evidence from your wife in this respect, that she is also suffering from ill health. There is nobody else but you who can fill the role"
"I do not believe although I bear in mind what Dr McClintock says about the limits of psychiatry being predictive, but I do not believe that there is any reason to suppose that you are likely to pose a danger to children. And to that extent I do not think that the public is at risk"
"I think there is a risk and the probation officer who wrote the pre-sentence report has said that there is a risk, in her opinion, of your committing further offences of the type for which you are in front of the court at the moment"
"… but I think that the public is better served, in these circumstances, by my accepting the recommendation in the pre-sentence report, of making a community rehabilitation order with a requirement that you undergo the course which is suggested and just so that there should be no misunderstandings about it, the requirement is that you are to participate in a programme of therapeutic work in order to address your offending behaviour, in compliance with instructions given by your supervising officer as required by the London Probation Area Community Sex Offender Group Programme for the duration of the Order". "
"I do not believe although I bear in mind what Dr McClintock says about the limits of psychiatry being predictive, but I do not believe that there is any reason to suppose that you are likely to pose a danger to children. And to that extent I do not think that the public is at risk"
"I think there is a risk and the probation officer who wrote the pre-sentence report has said that there is a risk, in her opinion, of your committing further offences of the type for which you are in front of the court at the moment"
"It is a five year order, as I understand it, and the purpose essentially, and there may be others who are better equipped than me to explain, is so that there is a public record of the fact that a dentist has been convicted of a particular type of offence"
"Mr Fleischmann embarked upon this behaviour which resulted in his criminal conviction as a result of depression…. I suggest that he is of low risk with regard to re-offending"
"Mr Fleischmann embarked upon this behaviour which resulted in his criminal conviction as a result of depression…. I suggest that he is of low risk with regard to re-offending"
"There is insufficient data really to suggest, as seems to be suggested by some people, that it must inevitably mean that if you look at this type of material, there can only be one reason and one reason only, namely some form of sexual gratification. Dr Vince suggests that in the instance of Mr Fleischmann, having actually seen him, there may well be another reason, and he believes that there is, and that it is not of a sexual nature"
"Denial does elicit rather negative responses in those dealing with an individual"
"We do not attempt to extract an admission or confession from individuals. It does not mean anything in terms of future risks". (4) In his view the risk of re-offending had to be considered in the context of the opportunity for re-offending. He could not exclude the risk of contact abuse but asked: "
"There were a number of factors that really led me away from the commonsense inference, or assumption, that this necessarily involves, primarily a sexual interest in children and the other material". (6) The factors or details, including the onset of depression and Mr Fleischmann's denials that he gained sexual pleasure led him to conclude, although a lot more work would have to be done, that for Mr Fleischmann "… it is not necessarily about having a sexual interest in children"
"Yes. I think that that is a very real possibility in this case, and that partly arises again from the range of unpleasantness and repulsive material that was viewed, and which Mr Fleischmann says repulses him, and if one believes that, I think it certainly does suggest an alternative motive". (1) That there had been error in the assessment made according to the Matrix Risk 2000 assessment. His own view, formed after the application of dynamic risk factors, namely psychological personality factors, was that only one dynamic risk factor was present in Mr Fleischmann's case, namely a sense of inadequacy. (2) He emphasised that the facility and ease with which individuals can access child pornography on the internet had given rise to a number of offenders who could not be assessed for risk, according to the standard tenets which had applied to those, for example, who, prior to the availability on the internet, would have, perhaps, had to travel abroad and take other very much more positive steps to obtain the information. He therefore concluded that in these cases it could not automatically be taken that there is a sexual interest in children and that the chances of going on to escalate into contact abuse were much higher. (3) In his view cases of denial did not necessarily give rise to an increased risk of offending, but: "
"We do not attempt to extract an admission or confession from individuals. It does not mean anything in terms of future risks". (4) In his view the risk of re-offending had to be considered in the context of the opportunity for re-offending. He could not exclude the risk of contact abuse but asked: "
"There were a number of factors that really led me away from the commonsense inference, or assumption, that this necessarily involves, primarily a sexual interest in children and the other material". (6) The factors or details, including the onset of depression and Mr Fleischmann's denials that he gained sexual pleasure led him to conclude, although a lot more work would have to be done, that for Mr Fleischmann "… it is not necessarily about having a sexual interest in children"
"As stated above denial does not indicate that the individual is an increased risk although I agree that it does greatly impede the process by which the individual can be worked with to manage their own risks."
"I accept that it is inevitably the case that Mr Fleischmann must have gained some kind of sexual gratification or arousal from some of the images of children." "
"I accept that it is inevitably the case that Mr Fleischmann must have gained some kind of sexual gratification or arousal from some of the images of children."
"It was difficult to get Mr Fleischmann to articulate why he had been viewing this type of material". "
"You are not excluding, are you, a sexual motive; just not the primary one?" to which his answer was "
"It is a mixed picture at best"
"I do not know if there is a mixed picture there. It is very likely that there is something sexual involved here, but whether it is about children and sex, or more about repulsive images, is a question. It is a very important question and the information available to me at the moment does not impress me with the fact that a sexual interest in children is likely to be, certainly not the primary motive, if it is there at all"
"It is a mixed picture at best"
"Looking at it from the converse, if you are wrong, but he continues to believe that it is all depression and does not gain insight into sexual motive, that does not bode very well for this treatment either, does it?"
"If I am wrong, then I would expect probation to eventually be able to make some headway, because they normally do. I would stick by my statement that this is still a relatively early in the whole process into the probation order. It is still very young". "
"Mr Fleischmann, the Committee has taken account of the conviction found proved against you, as well as the medical evidence, further explanations and the oral and written testimonials which have been produced on your behalf. It has listened very carefully to all the representations made by your counsel. The Committee recognises that directions imposed under Rule 11 do not have any punitive purposes. That is the responsibility of a court of law. The purpose of our directions is to protect the public, maintain public confidence in the profession, and maintain proper standards of behaviour by dental practitioners. It is on this basis that the Committee has made its determination. The Committee has considered each of the options available to it in turn. It has borne in mind the need for proportionality in its decision, and has balanced your interests against the need to protect the public, maintain public confidence in the dental profession, and to maintain high standards of behaviour by dental practitioners. In this respect you should be in no doubt of the gravity of the offence of which you have been convicted, and the fact that your actions could not fail to cause grave concern to members of the public and seriously harm the reputation of the profession. This behaviour is unacceptable and cannot be tolerated. We have listened carefully to the evidence which has been adduced regarding your state of mind and accept that you have suffered from a depressive illness. Nevertheless, we remain concerned that you should accept and face up to your personal responsibility and culpability in this matter. Bearing in mind the purpose set out above, the Committee has determined that it will be sufficient in this case to suspend your registration for a period of 12 months. The Committee has therefore directed the Registrar to suspend the registration in the Dentists Register of Alexander Emmanuel Mark Fleischmann for a period of 12 months. The effect of the foregoing direction is that, unless you exercise your right of appeal, your registration will be suspended from the Dentists Register 28 days from this date, for a period of 12 months. It is the view of this Committee that the gravity and nature of these offences, together with the public interest and the need to maintain public confidence in the profession, require no lesser sanction than suspension for the maximum period permitted under the Rules"
"Where the Professional Conduct Committee are satisfied that a registered dentist (whether before or after registration)— (a) has been convicted in the United Kingdom of a criminal offence or has been convicted elsewhere of an offence which, if committed in England and Wales, would constitute a criminal offence, or (b) has been guilty of serious professional misconduct they may, if they think fit, determine that his name shall be erased from the register or that his registration in it shall be suspended for such period not exceeding twelve months as may be specified in their determination". "
"(3) A person shall not be entitled to be registered in the Dentists Register under paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) above unless he satisfies the Registrar as to the following matters, namely –(a) his identity; (b) that he is of good character; and (c) that he is in good health, both physically and mentally." "(3) A person shall not be entitled to be registered in the Dentists Register under paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) above unless he satisfies the Registrar as to the following matters, namely – (a) his identity; (b) that he is of good character; and (c) that he is in good health, both physically and mentally."
"(1) Where the Committee have found that a conviction has been proved the chairman shall invite the complainant or the solicitor, as the case may be, to address the Committee, and to adduce evidence as to the circumstances leading up to the conviction and as to the character and previous history of the respondent. The chairman shall then invite the respondent to address the Committee by way of mitigation and to adduce evidence as aforesaid…. (3) Except where (in a case relating to conduct) the respondent has been found not guilty on all charges the Committee shall next consider and determine whether it shall be sufficient to conclude the case. If the Committee determine not to conclude the case, they shall next consider and determine whether to postpone judgment. (4) If the Committee determine to postpone judgment, the judgment of the Committee shall stand postponed until such future meeting of the Committee as they may determine. (5) If the Committee determine not to postpone judgment, they shall consider and determine whether by reason of the convictions proved against the respondent … it shall be sufficient to direct the Registrar in accordance with section 27(1) of the Act to suspend the respondent's registration for a specified period not exceeding twelve months. (6) If the Committee do not determine to direct suspension in accordance with the foregoing paragraph the Committee shall thereupon direct the Registrar to erase the name of the respondent from the Register"
"If the Council considers that— (a) a relevant decision falling within subsection (1) has been unduly lenient, whether as to any finding of professional misconduct or fitness to practise on the part of the practitioner concerned (or lack of such a finding), or as to any penalty imposed, or both, or … and that it would be desirable for the protection of members of the public for the Council to take action under this section, the Council may refer the case to the relevant court". "
"because I do not think that it is something that is going to help the Committee a great deal. What is important about that is that it provides guidelines"
"… that the two primary factors determinative of the seriousness of a particular offence are the nature of the indecent material and the extent of the offender's involvement with it"
"… custody threshold will usually be passed … in cases of possession, where there is a large amount of material at Level 2, or a small amount at Level 3 or above"
"It is on this basis that the Committee has made its determination". "
"One must remember that registration [on the sex offenders' register] is not a punishment but a measure to secure public protection from those who have committed serious offences" (Baroness Blatch, Minister of State, Home Office Hansard March 10, 1997 column 547). "