"If one just looks at the terms of the guideline in assessing culpability and harm, yes, your offending starts as lesser roles just in category 3, which would be a starting point of a community order, which, for obvious reasons, is not the outcome that will happen today. But as I say, supplying into prison is very, very serious and that really takes the case out of any such assessment and puts your culpability up to the equivalent of, and I say this for calculating the correct and fair sentence for you, a four year starting point for each of you."