"You contend that the judge erred in taking the starting point for an adult for the offence and reducing it to take into account your age. That did not amount to an error of law or of principle. You also contend that the judge was wrong in making (only) the reduction which he did, of one third. However, the judge had in mind all the factors which were relied on in your case, including as to your vulnerability to exploitation, your immaturity and stunted education. The reduction which he made was one which he was entitled to impose. The discount for plea was larger than would have been justified simply on the basis of the time at which it took place, and itself took into account your youth. The overall sentence imposed was not an unreasonable one for very serious offending. Neither individually nor collectively do your grounds indicate an arguable case that your sentence was manifestly excessive or wrong in principle."
"The judge's starting point for the offending, for an adult offender, was one of 14 years. This he reduced to 12 years to take into account your lack of previous relevant convictions, and personal mitigation. He then reduced this by 20 per cent credit for plea. He used the figure of 20 per cent, which would otherwise have been generous, in part to take account of your youth. He then reduced this by one third to allow for your youth. He determined on that reduction, having taken into account all the features of your case, including your lack of familial presence or support, vulnerability and attempts to improve yourself, which the judge recorded. This was an approach which the judge was entitled to take, and a reduction which he was entitled to use. Neither individually nor collectively do your grounds indicate an arguable case that your sentence was manifestly excessive or wrong in principle."