“Doing what he used to do to me but to her”
“He just keeps touching her legs” and he asked her to send a video if she can. She asked if they could FaceTime but he replies that he cannot as he is playing games on his phone. She sends some videos; he tells her to let her parents know and she replies: “I’ll tell them tomorrow as they won’t be back til like 5 in the morning and they’ll be drunk so probs Monday”
“He used to do this to me when I was, like, 3/4. ”
“When did you first remember what the defendant had done to you?”
“Well, during the incident with B [the defendant] told me he’d done the same thing to me.”
“He used to do this to me when I was, like, 3/4”
“He told me he used to do similar to me”
“He said he used to do this to me when I was younger as well.”
“I can’t remember” as to age. The judge said that might not be material. The real thrust of the submissions in respect of count 1 and Galbraith limb 2 was that certain evidence from A which did not make any sense at all in terms of approaching the case from the basepoint that she was saying “was when the defendant told me that he used to do this to me.”
“Why do you feel bad for [B]?”, to which she replied: “Because I haven’t told anyone he did it to me until that day, so I could stop it” and “I did feel a bit uncomfortable about him being there because, obviously, I know what he did to me.”
“Are you sure you kept your distance…?”, to which she replied “Yes”, although there was then questioning from defence counsel along the lines of staying with B to make sure that the defendant did not do anything and she asked: “Why do you think before you remembered about him massaging…?”
“Because I tried to forget about it, but when it happened to [B] it all came back to me.”
“I’d had little flashbacks of it happening to me.”
“1)A person commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally touches another person (b)the touching is sexual, and (c)the other person is under 13.” “Sexual” is defined insection 78 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which provides: “For the purposes of this Part... touching or any other activity is sexual if a reasonable person would consider that— (a)whatever its circumstances or any person’s purpose in relation to it, it is because of its nature sexual, or (b)because of its nature it may be sexual and because of its circumstances or the purpose of any person in relation to it (or both) it is sexual.” “For the purposes of this Part... touching or any other activity is sexual if a reasonable person would consider that— (a)whatever its circumstances or any person’s purpose in relation to it, it is because of its nature sexual, or (b)because of its nature it may be sexual and because of its circumstances or the purpose of any person in relation to it (or both) it is sexual.”
“The only difficulty that we have with applying Lord Ackner’s approach is that he referred to R v George [1956] Crim LR 52.”
“We would express reservations as to whether or not it would be possible for the removal of shoes in that way... to be sexual...That in our judgment may well be a question that it would be necessary for a jury to determine.”
“How then should the Judge approach a submission of ‘no case’? (1) If there is no evidence that the crime alleged has been committed by the defendant, there is no difficulty. The Judge will of course stop the case. (2) The difficulty arises where there is some evidence but it is of a tenuous character, for example because of inherent weakness or vagueness or because it is inconsistent with other evidence. (a) Where the Judge comes to the conclusion that the prosecution evidence, taken at its highest, is such that a jury properly directed could not properly convict upon it, it is his duty, upon a submission being made, to stop the case. (b) Where however the prosecution evidence is such that its strength or weakness depends on the view to be taken of a witness’s reliability, or other matters which are generally speaking within the province of the jury and where on one possible view of the facts there is evidence upon which a jury could properly come to the conclusion that the defendant is guilty, then the Judge should allow the matter to be tried by the jury. It follows that we think the second of the two schools of thought is to be preferred. There will of course, as always in this branch of the law, be borderline cases. They can safely be left to the discretion of the Judge.”