“It is very stark. If you are sure [D] is telling the truth, that is the overarching issue. The defence say she is telling a pack of lies.”
“… but on the other hand, I know you are going to want to finish as soon as you can. I will be governed by you, and feel free to sit down whenever you want as well.”
“JUDGE: Now, Mr Burton, I have been listening to a few questions about this to see how it developed, I am struggling to see the relevance of that marriage to this indictment that is before the jury. COUNSEL: It led, did that marriage and the circumstances [of] that relationship, did that lead to you seeking counselling?”
“JUDGE: While you are tracking them down, can I just get a feel for, I am trying to see whether to keep you in the witness box a bit longer in the hope of finishing your evidence, as opposed to adjourning for the morning. How much longer do you think you have got roughly? COUNSEL: I am going to ask for a short break anyway because there’s a matter I wanted to deal with with my client in respect of the photographs produced in evidence in court anyway before I can finish. JUDGE: Right, I think – COUNSEL: I was going to ask for a break, in any event. JUDGE: I think in any view, D, giving evidence is quite an intense process, and if you do not mind, I am going to break off now with the jury and you, and ask you to return fresh tomorrow at 10am. A: Yes. JUDGE: Is that all right? A: That’s fine. JUDGE: I think we will do it that way rather than getting a break now and having the witness come back. COUNSEL: I will need more than just a few minutes. JUDGE: Okay. COUNSEL: Hopefully, as usual, if I can see this is the benefit of a short break will [inaudible]. JUDGE: All right, well, I do not imagine you will be very much longer tomorrow morning, but I am going to break off now.”
“JUDGE: … I am not going to put too much pressure about timing. It is impossible to be very precise, but roughly how much more cross-examination do you think you have? COUNSEL: How long have I been so far? JUDGE: You have been about an hour and a half. COUNSEL: I do have at least half an hour. JUDGE: All right, I will expect you to come to a conclusion within say 45-minutes tomorrow morning. COUNSEL: That helps me.”
“JUDGE: …Right, but in the meantime we are going to continue with your questioning, Mr Burton. You have said you will be 30, 40 minutes, something like that – COUNSEL: I will certainly be at least that, that period of time. I am going to try to keep it short – JUDGE: Well, I would like it to finish within 40 minutes.”
“JUDGE: Just pause for a moment. Can I just explain to you, D? It is not what Mr Burton believes. It is not personal. He is putting the instructions of his client, the defendant, and it will be for the jury to decide. All right. Just take a moment. Would you like to – A: Sorry. JUDGE: No, do not apologise. Would you like to take a short break? A: Yes please. JUDGE: All right. We will take a short break. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Fifteen-minute break.”
“JUDGE: … This is exactly why I have sought to keep to a shorter timeframe for cross-examination. So, I am now going to impose a time limit to protect the defendant because it can be seen as diminishing returns if a witness becomes increasingly distressed, and to protect the witness. If and when the witness is able to resume because I was told that behind the scenes yesterday there was considerable distress, perhaps not portrayed in court, and if and when the witness is fit to resume, Mr Burton, you will have 20 minutes. So, take your best points, okay? You have got 15 minutes now to further whittle and I will tell the jury when we resume, that I have imposed a time limit of 20 minutes. COUNSEL: Yes, Your Honour.”
“JUDGE: … Now, just so you know, just before we bring the jury back, let us just wait for the defendant. Just so you know, I have imposed a final cut-off period of 35 minutes from now. A: Okay. JUDGE: So, that is the maximum that you will be in the witness box. A: Okay. JUDGE. All right I am going to try and finish your evidence in this final session. A: Okay, thank you. JUDGE: Okay, thank you very much …”
“COUNSEL: … Just before the jury comes in, just so that we’re clear, I mean, I am conversant with Your Honour’s concerns, could we just shut the door for a moment? Conversant of Your Honour’s concerns as to length. There are obviously key parts or some parts of the witness’ evidence that are challenged. Specifically matters raised, for example, something was raised by the witness yesterday when she was shown a photograph of the cellar, which I am not going to come back to this. I know it’s understood that – JUDGE: Well, look, we are wasting time now. You have got until 12 o’clock. If you will be saying to me ‘Well, I did not formally challenge that because of the time limit’, I will hear the submissions on that later on. COUNSEL: Yes. JUDGE: You have until 12 o’clock. Thank you very much. Jury please.”
“JUDGE: Pause. Twelve o’clock, so this is your last question. COUNSEL: Well, this is really, very important to get – JUDGE: Yes, well, I gave you notice. Twelve o’clock, this is your last question. Do you want to ask another question or not? COUNSEL: With respect, Your Honour, I’d rather not – JUDGE: Okay, thank you very much. COUNSEL: I’d rather not be harangued in that way. JUDGE: I’m not haranguing, I’m setting a time limit. Ask your last question or sit down.”
“COUNSEL: By the stage that meeting took place, it was made plain by yourself that unless Mr Bhatt said sorry for what had happened – A: I didn’t suggest him to say to sorry. My sister did. COUNSEL: You would report – I hadn’t finished my question – you would report the matter to Social Services, you would disclose to the family the fact that the relationship between Mr Bhatt and your sister, and that in the circumstances of being shouted at by both yourself and J, Mr Bhatt was persuaded to kneel down to your feet and apologise for any offence he may have caused, but at no stage made any admission to what was being alleged by yourself and J. Do you understand the question? A: I understand the question but that’s not what happened. What happened was the fact, they – my sister was constantly calling me at work. They then phoned J, who is J, my partner, and they said that they – we needed to meet up, we needed to find out what was going on and what the solution to this would be. They, in fact, came to find a solution and see if I could lie, if it – and say, actually it wasn’t about Manoj, it was about some past boyfriend of my sister’s and J said ‘No, she’s not going to lie, but did you do this’? and he asked the question. I don’t remember the exact words but he asked the question and he accepted it and then my sister said, ‘Just apologise to her and my mum’, and that’s when he folded his hands and he went like this and said ‘Sorry’ and then he put his hand on my head and said ‘I’m like a father to you’. Father’s don’t do things like that. COUNSEL: I can’t ask any further questions? JUDGE: No, you cannot. COUNSEL: I can’t [inaudible]. JUDGE: Thank you very much. Right, is there any re-examination, Mr Munday?”
“JUDGE: Right, if it might be in dispute, I will ask the witness myself. Sit down, Mr Burton. Thank you. You are meeting D, when you met her, you have told us that you got on well with her. Did you feel that you had anything in common with her or not? A: Not in the beginning JUDGE: Not in the beginning? A: Not in the beginning, no.”
“In my mind’s eye, and I was probably being unrealistic, we would have finished this evidence this afternoon, but it sounds like we are just going to finish examination-in-chief and have cross-examination tomorrow.”