"We are of the view that it is arguable that further evidence from the forensic scientists' statements over and above that contained in the agreed facts should not have been given to the jury after retirement and that this may have affected the safety of the convictions. We therefore think it right that this matter should be considered by the full court, which can also decide whether to give further guidance on this area of procedure."
"Re. agreed fact 74, which reads, 'the Forensic Scientist concluded the probability of obtaining this matching result, if the major portion of the DNA originated from somebody unrelated to Matthew Dunster is less than one in one billion'."
"DNA profiling. We are wondering about the DNA on the glove and lighter. With regard to the other sets of DNA, we understand we don't know who the contributors were but how strong were their profiles? Were they also a billion to one from one person?"
"Can you transfer your DNA into your own glove from shaking hands with another person? Feels a bit unclear. Thank you."
"I think it would be unfortunate from the defendant's point of view if they got the impression that you cannot transfer DNA by shaking hands. It's tempting to say if we had had the DNA expert here all these matters could have been explored, but of course with DNA evidence one has to be careful because you can go on and on in relation to these things and so there is great merit in the simplicity that we have got from the agreed facts. On the other hand, the question having been raised, subject to what Mr Clough [counsel who then appeared for the appellant] has to say, I might be inclined just to try to be a bit more helpful than simply saying 'I am sorry. That is the evidence. You are not going to hear any more'. Mr Clough, what do you say?"
"I agree entirely, your Honour. The jury have asked the question. It is a perfectly reasonable question in my opinion and I think that if we can be helpful to them then we should."
"Do you both agree that despite the fact that they are in deliberations there is no reason why they cannot be given this additional agreed evidence?"
"Particles of DNA can be transferred by [what we call] secondary transfer. Particles of DNA can be transferred by secondary transfer. One explanation for the DNA mix in the glove finger may be that three different people, Matthew Dunster and two unknown individuals, have, at different times, worn the glove. Another explanation may be that one has shaken hands with others and so deposited a DNA mixture of all three in the glove that way'... I'm just going to add, there are obviously other things you can imagine which might result, because DNA can be transferred, giving rise to that mix being deposited in that glove. Perhaps I should just end by saying, you know, one mustn't, certainly not with scientific evidence indeed with any evidence, as I said to you in my summing up, you know, speculate beyond the sort of facts that you have. So we've added to them based on the scientific evidence in the case and, and facts that are, are agreed between us. Obviously, I'm not forbidding it, but can I just give an indication, we're unlikely to be able to take any of that much further. All right?"
"In any case we think it right to lay down that once the summing-up is concluded, no further evidence ought to be given. The jury can be in reply to any question they may put on any matter on which evidence has been given, but no further evidence should be allowed."
"The theory of our law is that he who affirms must prove, and therefore it is for the prosecutor to prove his case, and if there is some matter which the prosecution might have proved but have not, it is too late, after the summing-up, to allow further evidence to be given, and that whether it might have been given by one of the witnesses already called or whether it would necessitate, as in Rex v. Browne , the calling of a fresh witness. If this were allowed, it is difficult to see what limitation could be put upon it. A witness might be called who would then be open to cross-examination and the defence might then apply to call further evidence in answer."
"We are not able to understand why it should be regarded as an overruling of Owen's case. If there is an irregularity, it seems to us that that irregularity with all its faults must be considered and the question must be posed every time on the facts of the individual instant case: does this give rise to a miscarriage of justice? If the answer is no, it seems to us that effect must be given to the obvious intention of Parliament."
"24. It is easy, but superficial, to dismiss these rules as purely technical or procedural. In truth, they reflect something much more fundamental. If material is obtained or used by the jury privately, whether before or after retirement, two linked principles bedrocks of the administration of criminal justice, and indeed the rule of law, are contravened. The first is open justice, that the defendant in particular, but the public too, is entitled to know of the evidential material considered by the decision making body; so indeed should everyone with a responsibility for the outcome of the trial including counsel and the judge, and in an appropriate case, the Court of Appeal Criminal Division. This leads to the second principle, the entitlement of both the prosecution and the defence to a fair opportunity to address all the material considered by the jury when reaching its verdict. Such an opportunity is essential to our concept of a fair trial. These principles are too basic to require elaboration. Occasionally however, we need to remind ourselves of them."
"27. Applying these principles to the present case, the material obtained by the juror from the internet after the jury had retired, contravened the principles which prohibit the use of information, potentially relevant to the outcome of the case, privately obtained out of court by a juror, as well as the reception of further material after the jury's retirement. Having considered the material, we are not satisfied that these convictions are safe."
"It used to be understood that there was a very firm rule that evidence cannot be admitted after the retirement of the jury, but more recent authorities confirm that there is no absolute rule to that effect. The question is what justice requires."
"In our judgment, the fact that the appellant consented to this course of action is really an end of the matter. However, at the very least, if this ground of appeal is to succeed, the appellant must show that in some way he has suffered some prejudice which renders the verdicts of the jury unsafe."