“the following morning the defendant’s wife went next door to speak to the [H family]. When she returned, she did not speak to the [appellant] about what was spoken of, but she appeared quiet.”
“Well, then she got his wife in who was obviously home by then. I then had to say in front of her again what happened and again, they kept saying – you, you know, my mum kept saying, “Are you telling the truth?”
“I remember that in 1969, I believe it was a Saturday, but I cannot recall what time of year, I had gone to Mum and Dad’s house with my young children who would have been both under 2 years old. I think I had been asked to go round by Mum because she had something to tell me. When I got there, Dad wasn’t there and I don’t think KH was there either – although she may have been in her room. I remember walking through to the kitchen and Mum said “I’VE GOT SOMETHING TO TELL YOU. WE LEFT KH WITH ALEX WHILST T WAS OUT AND SHE’S TOLD ME THAT HE’S INTERFERED WITH HER”
“I visited CLACTON when I was 18 years old to see KH and my auntie and uncle. I remember this occasion like it was yesterday because KH just wasn’t herself, she seemed very downbeat. I remember asking if KH was ok and she said something to the effect of “SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR”
“I am aware of the allegation that KH has made to Police. I have known about the incident since I was between 16 and 18 years old. Me and KH have always spoken about everything – I remember that I used to speak to her on the work phone for hours and get in trouble. This was when I worked in a pet shop. KH first told me about the incident over the phone when I worked at that pet shop. I can’t remember the conversation exactly, but KH brought up the topic of her anger towards my NAN. KH then explained that her neighbour Mr SMITH “TOUCHED ME. HE FIDDLED WITH ME – BUT IT WASN’T INTERCOURSE” or words to that effect. After that, whenever we spoke about the incident it was mostly to discuss how angry KH felt towards NAN and GRANDAD. KH and I discussed quite a lot how she felt NAN and GRANDAD didn’t do anything and made her feel unimportant.”
“JUDGE LEVETT: ...this is the difficulty – I think if one goes in the other bit goes in, the admission goes in, because this is explaining why nothing was done about it over the years because there’s a world of difference between – and we’re talking about the standards 40 years ago, where things were a lot different …….But this is the point that the prosecution will make because the defence say, “‘Well, hang on, let’s delay’. And there’s got to be a reason for it, and the only reason there’s a delay is because she’s a liar and she didn’t want to do anything about it.”
“Q. And what did you have to say in front of T? A. I told her what he’d done, same as I’d told my mum. Q. And what did T do? A. She went back in and then ap (sic) - only hearsay, my mum saw her the next morning and she told my mum that he’d admitted it to her. Q. But you weren’t present at that conversation? A. No. Q. That’s just what your mum’s told you? A. Yes. Q. And that was the next day? A. Yes, that was.”
“MR DONEGAN: Yes. That’s why your Honour both this and KH’s evidence --- JUDGE LEVETT: Mmm. MR DONEGAN: --- are both multiple hearsay --- JUDGE LEVETT: Mmm. MR DONEGAN: --- and both should have been excluded. It’s the same argument. JUDGE LEVETT: Mmm. MR DONEGAN: Now one is in --- JUDGE LEVETT: Mmm. MR DONEGAN: --- It’s - it’s my tactical strand has to be to attack it as nobody knows that she - what - what she meant by that. JUDGE LEVETT: I agree entirely. So you don’t - you - you do not object to it being adduced? MR DONEGAN: I don’t think I can now, no. JUDGE LEVETT: Very well, that’s OK - I - I just wanted to check because when I looked at it - I wanted to see what - I wanted a test by which route it was going in and you know if - if that is the case because as I say I think that there’s a little bit of a difference between this part and KH’s part. A different - slightly different test. MR DONEGAN: Very well your Honour. We would appreciate rulings no doubt. JUDGE LEVETT: Hmm? MR DONEGAN: We would appreciate rulings on - on both points. JUDGE LEVETT: I - well I’m going to but I mean - I want to press on with the case. MR DONEGAN: Of course.”
“But when her wife came home she said she complained to her mother straightaway, and as a result of that KH’s mother went to speak to the defendant’s wife. As I say, we know that must be true because it’s not disputed that mother, PH, did speak to T, the defendant’s wife. What is in dispute, perhaps, is what was actually said but something was said because even the defendant admits that his wife came home in tears. And as a result of that we know that here T has given evidence about what the defendant said in respect of the allegation. T, the defendant’s wife says, “Well, what KH said was that he put his hand up her skirt.”
“The confession, as I say - I’ve said, well, it’s not possible to examine what mother, PH might have meant by saying, “Well Alec has admitted it,” it could be limited to touching her leg, which is not an indecent assault in the context of this case, and, therefore, you wouldn’t place any weight on it. The prosecution, at the end of the day, say, well, here the ex-wife’s evidence, T, is such that any confrontation towards Alec prompted him to say nothing happened, so that’s inconsistent with the narrative that was being telegraphed through. And then, of course, it was a few later that he admitted only to touching her leg. So if KH was told that Alec admitted it, does that really fit in with the evidence that you heard, because it was - Alex admitted it the day PH went round there and spoke. So as I say, it - it’s something which you may take into account. But take into account all these warnings, counsels’ submissions.”
“if that were the case, then Mr Smith’s response to the allegation was wholly irrelevant. It was not probative… It’s admission [was] unfair and dangerously prejudicial”