"… given what could be seen on the CCTV, it was obvious from the body language that certainly something serious was going on and there was absolutely no reason not to think that all the three men at least knew exactly what was going on, that this was ammunition which was being handed around. … it is highly unlikely that they would be handling a shoe box without having some idea of what was going on, given the particular circumstances of the CCTV, which is pretty telling if one observes it in detail and with the knowledge of what was actually in the box."
"The matter is serious because although it is argued, and quite properly argued, that this is possession of ammunition and no gun ever came to light, the obvious point and the obvious issue here is that live ammunition has no particular value to anyone unless somewhere in the vicinity at some time and probably fairly close by in either time or proximity, there is a firearm in which to place the ammunition. Ammunition is quite useless without a firearm and so, although it is true to say that no firearm has ever been detected, the fact is that the combination of a firearm and this live ammunition creates a very dangerous situation in a suburban part of South London and so there can be no doubt at all that from the public point of view, this is a serious matter …"
"A court shall not make in respect of an offender a detention and training order the effect of which would be that he would be subject to detention and training orders for a term which exceeds 24 months."
"Where the term of the detention and training orders to which an offender would otherwise be subject exceeds 24 months, the excess shall be treated as remitted."
"… what it does seem (and I think the prison are right here) is that the total sentence aggregated cannot go beyond 24 months. I imposed eighteen on top of the ten months he was serving already, so I think the answer is that, subject to any representations you make, I will impose it as a fourteen month consecutive sentence, which will bring the total he is serving to 24 months …"
"Subject to subsection (2) below, the term of a detention and training order made in respect of an offence … shall be 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 18 or 24 months."
"The judge's failure to pass a correct detention and training order shows that he did not, on at least two occasions, read the basic provisions demonstrates no proper or real regard to the principles of youth sentencing. He was directed to the relevant principles and powers on the first occasion."