"Did you see anyone with any kind of weapons? A. Bottles. Q. Who did you see with bottles? A. Nearly everyone."
"When the fight started, you are saying that you are not involved? A. Yeah. Q. Where are you? A. I am at the back of the group, just standing and ran back."
"So there is about 23 people in total, 15 in your group and about eight in T's group and how many people are fighting? A. Everyone. Q. So there is over 20 people fighting? A. Yeah. Q. And what are you doing at this time? A. Nothing. I was just at the back."
"He came reluctantly on the premise that he was not to give evidence in court? A. Yes. Q. You explain that there had been several phone calls to the mother and she had wanted reassurances that the purpose of the new ABE was not to give evidence in court? A. That would be right. Q. After the ABE you mentioned that because the evidence he had given was of great value, as far as you were concerned, you said it would be great if he would come to court. He said he would not. A. Yes. Q. And you said here that you did not discuss special measures with him on that occasion but you had previously discussed it with him? A. Yes."
"When you confirmed that he had been given an assurance that he would not be forced to court, as you have said to the learned judge, that was in relation to the O trial and the trial that is still to come? A. Yes. He said he would only attend the second ABE if there was assurance that he wouldn't give any evidence at all. Q. He said that before the interview, as we know. Then after the interview, when you knew what it was that he said, you revisited the question and he still said no. A. That's right, yes."
"I am only asking to help us with your answers please. What were you hoping would be achieved by asking RK further questions? A. We were hoping for a bit more because the initial ABE focused primarily on the stabbing. We were hoping for more insight to what led up to that conflict happening on Artillery Square. Q. Can you help us with a couple of things that flow from that. Firstly this, why were those questions not asked at some time before the first trial? A. I have difficulty knowing the answer to that. The ABE was conducted by officers before I got involved in the case and that it wasn't really considered until August."
"The witness must be given all possible support, but also made to understand the importance of the citizen's duty, and indeed that the violent and intimidatory will only flourish the more if that duty is not done, whilst they will normally back down in the face of determination that it be performed. For this reason it is of especial importance that assurances are never given to potential witnesses that their evidence will be read. Unless the defendant consents, it is only the court applying the strict conditions of the CJA 2003 based on evidence that can admit such a statement. Any indication, let alone an assurance, can only give rise to an expectation that this will indeed happen, when if it does the impact of the evidence will be diminished and the disadvantage to the accused may result in it not being given at all. 88. It may well be that in the early stage of police enquiries into a prominent crime the investigators need to seek out information on a confidential basis: that is a matter for practical policing and not for us. But no person who is becoming not simply a source of information but a witness should be told that his evidence will be read, or indeed given any indication whatsoever that this is likely. The most that he can be told is that witnesses are expected to be seen at court, that any departure from that principle is exceptional, and that the decision whether to depart from it is one for the Judge and not for the police..."
"In a situation where a witness is being approached for the first time possibly to give evidence, it would be contrary to public policy to promise that that witness would not be called or have his evidence tested. However, this case is rather far from that situation. Here, a first ABE of RK had been taken. No overtures had been made at that time. A first trial had been scheduled. Huge efforts had been made to get the young boy to court, indeed down to a witness summons being issued. Witness care had been involved in ongoing contact and discussions. The police had been in discussion with him and his family. The boy and his family had made it very clear that they were frightened and they would not give evidence. In this context, the request that a further statement be taken with the assurance that he would not be required to give evidence was, in my view, understandable and I find perfectly acceptable in law ... The reassurance goes to the question of reliability but I find that, having looked at both ABEs, nothing indicates on the face of the documents and indeed nothing was argued that there was a great change of approach by the witness RK in the two ABEs or a difference in the ways he was pointing to involvement in the offences or anything of that sort."
"RK's evidence cannot of course be tested by cross-examination, but the Crown's evidence generally can be tested and indeed the evidence of RK can be tested by illuminating inconsistencies, calling defence evidence, etc. Indeed as I have indicated a number of inconsistencies have been brought to my attention already which can be quite properly put before a jury."
"It is necessary to remind the jury, however obvious it may be to them, that such a statement has not been verified on oath, nor the author tested by cross-examination."