“She [said] she got scared and just did it. She pulled the strap out of the top. He said “Nice. Would you take any more off”
“Do you know what happens to a boy’s willy if he gets excited”
“What do you call your upper bits and your lower bits” followed by “do you call them your boobs and your fanny”
“Statement of offence Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity, contrary tosection 8(1) of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 . Particulars of offence PHILIP GROUT between the 1st day of December 2008 and the 14th day of January 2009 intentionally caused or incited [H] a child under the age of 13, namely 12 years, to engage in sexual activity, namely taking part in a WEBCAM conversation when you asked [H] to show you her bra and asked her if she would take off clothing.”
“we are split on point 1(c)(ii). [That is a reference to that paragraph in the written directions]. Specifically was the act of asking H to show Mr Grout her bra, was that a sexual activity”
“I think you’ve been asked to bring down your Steps to Verdict document so that you can follow this through to me. With me. The first thing I’m going to point out in respect of paragraph 1 (b), which sets out the four circumstances that you, or the four bits of conduct, which you can consider in relation to whether it’s an activity. And just to remind you that you do not have to be sure on all four of those. Any one of those will do, so long as at least ten of you are agreed upon it. Secondly, your question goes directly to the way in which I have set out in 1(c) how you reach your conclusion as to whether the activity was sexual. …..”
“That brings me to the heart of your question, “whether a reasonable person in view of the circumstances and/or purpose of Phillip Grout in relation to the activity, the activity “was in fact sexual.”
“we are split on point 1(c)(ii). Specifically was the act of asking H to show Mr Grout her bra, was that a sexual activity”
“you do not have to be sure on all four of those. Any one will do, so long as at least ten of you are agreed on it”
“this brings me to the heart of your question”