“You may well conclude that Kibria was not telling us the whole truth about anything.”
“If you don’t say that you are going to lose everything”
“I think this is the last time we speak.”
“I had to make a choice between my brother and the truth.”
“On16 January 2004 I attended college with my cousin Anas Alem and some friends. When we finished college we walked along Plashet Road in Upton Park, East London to a fish and chip shop. Anas and I went in the shop and our friends went to the mosque. One we had bought our food, Anas walked out of the shop and I followed. As we continued along Plashet Road we realised that we were being followed. The people who were following us knew that Anas had money. I did not know any of this group. They confronted me and shouted at Anas to come over. He came over and the group spoke to him about the money. They grabbed him by the collar and I ran to the mosque which is nearby. One of the boys who was white and had a leather jacket pulled out a knife. I shouted to my friends Kabir and Kolim who were standing by the door of the mosque. I told them that Anas was being attacked. When I was spoken to by the police about the incident, I told them that I had gone into the mosque and shouted out Abdul [Hai]’s name. However this was not true. My friends shouted to others in the mosque to come and help. A group of about ten people came out. As the group from the mosque came out, the group who had grabbed Anas scattered, but Anas managed to grab hold of the boy with the knife. He was attacked by the group from the mosque and was beaten badly. I was standing on the other said of the road when I saw this. I saw that one of the group had a knife but I did not see who stabbed the boy. After the incident Anas told me to go home. I went back to my home address at 101 Upton Park Road. I was supposed to be working that day at the Indian Cottage restaurant in Kelvedon in Essex. I had to ask my boss to pick me up which he did at about 2.30pm that afternoon. I told my employer what had happened at the mosque and I was dismissed from my job as a result. On the Monday following the incident I went to work at my uncle’s restaurant…On that date I got a telephone call from Kolim. He said that he had given my address in Essex (ie the restaurant) to the police. The next day the police came to the restaurant in Thornton Heath. Someone in Kelvedon must have given them the address. I was scared. They arrested me and took me to Norbury Police Station. I was interviewed and told the police what had happened. I did not mention Abdul’s name to start with but they kept pressing me, so I told them he was there. I only did this because I was confused and frightened about what would happen to me. The police were threatening me with a murder charge. I only arrived in the UK on13 July 2002 and my grasp of English was not that good at that time. It was all new to me and I did not understand what was happening to me. The police took a fourteen page witness statement from me which I signed. I gave the same account I had given in the tape recorded interview. However, I did not have an interpreter present when the police took that statement so I am not even sure exactly what I said, but I did place Abdul at the scene. My uncle’s son Alam Choudhury works for the Ministry of Defence and speaks very fluent English. I asked them to call him so that he could attend the police station to check what I had said. He did attend but he had just finished work and did not seem to want to get involved. He read the first few lines of the statement and that was it. He did not check through the whole statement. Once the statement was signed, the police let me go. About a week and a half later I went back to the police and told them that what I said before was untrue and I wanted to say the truth now. By this time I was working in a restaurant in Purley High Street. The police arrived there and arrested me for attempting to pervert the course of justice. I was taken to Belgravia Police Station and interviewed there. I was charged and kept in custody for a week. The police told me that if I reverted back to the story I had given in the first interview, they would drop the charge. When I appeared before the Magistrates’ Court, I said that the original interview I had given was correct. I asked the police for a tape recording of my fourteen page statement but I never received it. The police did eventually drop the charge against me and I was asked to be a witness in Abdul Hai’s trial. I gave evidence at the Crown Court in accordance with my original interview with the police, indicating that Abdul was present during the incident. This was completely untrue and I did not see Abdul that afternoon. I accept that I committed perjury in court. I only did so because I thought that the police would bring charges against me if I told the truth. I am now in the witness protection scheme. I understand that I could be liable to prosecution for what I have done. However I am willing to attend any appeal or re-trial in order to tell the truth about what happened.”
“Q. Anything said about if you did not make a statement? A. I don’t remember. Q. Any threats? A. That for lying, I could get prison. If I didn’t say what I saw. I don’t know on what charge. Q. Did they say they would charge anyone for murder? A. Not anyone…If I didn’t tell truth, I could go to prison for that, for not telling truth.”
“Mostly it is true, but there needs to be some alteration to a small part of that statement.”
“Q. You mention Anas’s brother being there as well, Shahin, who we mentioned earlier. A. Yes. Q. And then you say that Shahin ran out of the Mosque first. Shahin’s two friends followed. Then Amran followed and Kolim and I went behind them. A. Yes. Q. Is that correct? A. Sorry (inaudible). Interpreter. This bit about Anas and Kolim, if you could read again please. Q. What he says is yeah, ‘Shahin ran out of the Mosque first, and I knew, at this point, there was going to be big trouble.’ Interpreter. Repeats the above in Bengali. A. Yes… Q. ‘I went behind them.’ Interpreter. Repeats the above in Bengali. A. No, I didn’t go with them. Q. Okay. So, what are you saying then? What happened? A. No. I, they was running that way. I know that be big trouble. That’s why I was standing…we go near there, Green Street. Q. Okay. Let’s take it very slowly and let’s stop there. So, you left the Mosque?”
“Yes, but I was scared because I had seen a murder – but not that clearly. It’s not that big a point. I heard about it. I didn’t see it.” [Emphasis added.]
“I came out of mosque and turned right [ie away from the direction of the chase and attack]. I saw the boy being attacked, but far away.”
“It has been explained to me that this would normally be taped recorded. I do not wish to be tape recorded whilst providing this statement as I feel it would be safer for me.”
“Although I can read, write and speak English, I have asked DS ATTEWELL to read the statement to me. My cousin Mr Alam CHOWDHURY has also read the statement and I fully understand the content and agree that it is true to the best of my knowledge.”
“Q. Did your cousin help with any interpreting as you were making the statement, as you were telling the police what happened? A. No, he read over the statement for me and I did understand. Q. Yes, right. Did he read over to you in English or did he translate it into Bengali? A. He read it in English but he translated to me in Bengali.”
“Today I have told the police that my statement of 15th April is actually true. I shall now go on to explain why on 7th July and 20th July I said my statement of 15th April was untrue. Two or three weeks after I had given this statement I started to feel very frightened. I became very worried. I thought on the strength of this statement of 15th April, Anas, Shahin and Amram will get prison sentence. After coming out of jail they might take revenge on me, my family, my brothers and sister in the future…”
“He asked me if he could change what he said in his statement. I told him it was vital to tell the truth and say exactly what he saw. He told me that he was very frightened and was scared to say what happened. He became distressed and began to say “I can’t say it, I can’t”
“the way I said it was different. I told him of my trouble, I know I have to touch the Koran and speak about [Hai]. Raju had phoned me, and was angry about my lies, and talked of punching me up, and so I mentioned it to the officer. But he didn’t threaten to kill me.”
“I said so many things, and I was afraid, and nothing was working out…A lot is true and a lot not true…”
“It felt like Raju was threatening to kill me, but in fact it was only to punch me.”
“I started to miss my family. So I wanted to say the real truth.”
“My brother Kibria Chowdury told me, “Brother, the truth is that, when I went in the mosque, I did not see Abdul Hai, but there were a lot of people whom I did not recognise.”
“1. I am the paternal uncle of Mr Kibria Chowdury. 2. I confirm that I spoke to Kibria when he came back from the police station on the very first day he was questioned by the Police. He was very upset and I asked him to tell me exactly what had happened. He told me the story and I clearly remember him telling me that [Hai] and [Anas] were not at the scene when the incident took place. He said there was a lot of commotion and he got scared and ran away. I am sure that this was the true story but unfortunately Kibria lies a lot and he has made up several versions of what had happened that day. 3. I feel it is important that everyone knows that Kibria is not a very reliable person and I have always told him to tell the truth but he has not done so.”
“(1) For the purposes of an appeal, or on an application for leave to appeal, under this Part of this Act the Court of Appeal may, if they think it necessary or expedient in the interests of justice – … (c) receive any evidence which was not adduced in the proceedings from which the appeal lies… (2) The Court of Appeal shall, in considering whether to receive any evidence, have regard in particular to – (a) whether the evidence appears to the Court to be capable of belief; (b) whether it appears to the Court that the evidence may afford any ground for allowing the appeal; (c) whether the evidence would have been admissible in the proceedings from which the appeal lies on an issue which is the subject of the appeal; and (d) whether there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce the evidence in those proceedings.” … (c) receive any evidence which was not adduced in the proceedings from which the appeal lies… (a) whether the evidence appears to the Court to be capable of belief; (b) whether it appears to the Court that the evidence may afford any ground for allowing the appeal; (c) whether the evidence would have been admissible in the proceedings from which the appeal lies on an issue which is the subject of the appeal; and (d) whether there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce the evidence in those proceedings.”
“We move on now to the next of the main planks in the prosecution case, Kibria Choudhury…Kibria Choudhury and the next witness we have to deal with, Kolim Khan, you may think are important because, if they were both truthful and accurate in their evidence, they do provide very powerful evidence against Mr Hai. Each of them told us that they knew Mr Hai, Kibria better than Kolim. Each of them had been to Mr Hai’s house in Upton Park Road. Each of them told us that he saw Mr Hai in the Plashet Road mosque before the attack and then in the group that chased and attacked Ashley and ran away afterwards.”
“You fucking piece of shit, return my calls or I’ll tell your boss you have a criminal record.”