"If you had been under 18, the starting point would have been one of 12 years. Because you are only just over the 18-year watershed, I have taken that factor very much into account in deciding what the minimum term should be. In my view the fact that you are just over the watershed of 18 years requires that I reduce that minimum term significantly from the starting point of 30 years. I am not satisfied that you particularly were the ringleader. In my view of the evidence you and your co-defendant were involved in the murder of Mr Ap Rhys Pryce together. It does not to my mind matter in terms of culpability who actually wielded the knife. As I have said, I cannot determine who did so in any event. I take into account the fact that you have no significant previous convictions at all. I also take into account my conclusion that I cannot be sure that the two stab wounds were intended to kill Mr Ap Rhys Pryce. I have also to take into account that this was the most serious offence of a series of offences which involved knives, where victims who were innocent members of the public, who were travelling on the underground railway or going from public transport, suffered. To an extent, that factor is reflected in the 30-year starting point. Having considered all these factors together, I have decided that the minimum term should be set at 21 years. From that period must be deducted the time spent on remand, which is 312 days."
"You took, in my view, the same part in that offence as did Donnel Carty. You were equally involved and in my view of the facts as I have seen and heard them in the trial, you are equally culpable for that offence. It is pain from your own evidence that you are in fact an intelligent young man. You left school with GCSEs. You went on a course in a college and you are qualified to teach sports to children. It cannot be said in my view that you were someone who just tagged along. This was a murder that was committed in the course of a robbery and in my view that is a highly significant factor which I can take into account and must take into account when setting the minimum term in your case. I also have to take into account the fact that in your case, as in the case of Donnel Carty, this murder was the most serious offence in a series of offences involving knives, where victims were the innocent members of the public who were travelling on the underground in London or going from public transport. That, to my mind, is something that I must take account of in your case under section 269(3)(a) of the 2003 Act. I accept in your case that I cannot be sure that there was an intent to kill. However, in all the circumstances I regard this as a very grave case and it is one in which the minimum term must in my view be significantly above the starting point of twelve years. In all the circumstances, I have concluded that the minimum term should be one of 17 years, less 312 on remand that you have spent."
"The all too familiar case of murder following an attack on a passer-by in the street at night. They may be 17, 19 and 21 years old."