“You said earlier that the man grabbed you, how did he grab you, can you show me?” which produced some muddled answers from her about being tired. Yet again the officer tried to bring her to point, this time by asking “Where was he when he was attacking he [sic], when he put his willy in you, where was he standing?”
“is of the opinion that the statement ought to be admitted in the interests of justice”
“(i) to the contents of the statement; “(ii) to any risk, having regard in particular to whether it is likely to be possible to controvert the statement if the person making it does not attend to give oral evidence in the proceedings, that its admission or exclusion will result in unfairness to the accused …; and (iii) to any other circumstances that appear to the court to be relevant.”
“37. As regards the appropriate test of ‘competence’ or ‘reliability’ the test applicable to a live witness cannot, as it seem to us, be the appropriate test. In relation to any statement, or as in this case a video, the judge is not going to be in a position to examine the witness to see whether the witness understood or understands an oath and indeed the witness will not have actually been on oath in making the statement or at the time when the video is recorded. Furthermore we have put ‘competence’ and ‘reliability’ in quotation marks because it seems to us that there is in reality no reason to lay down criteria as to competence. Indeed, it would be inappropriate to seek to lay down criteria as to competence which might be thought to have to apply across the board when a court is considering any statement or any video which might fall within section 23 but which falls also to be considered under section 26. In our view there is no reason to go beyond the language and the direction under section 26. The question for the court is whether a statement ought to be admitted in the interests of justice, and in considering that question the duty on the court is to have regard (i) to the contents of the statement; (ii) to the risk having regard in particular as to whether it is likely to be possible to controvert the statement of the person making it if the person making it does not attend to give oral evidence in the proceedings, that its admission or exclusion will result in unfairness to the accused ….; and (iii) any other circumstances that appear to the court to be relevant. 38. Obviously one circumstance to which a court will have regard when considering the admissibility of a video, as in this case, is the ‘competence’ or ‘reliability’ of the witness being videoed. That by no means requires the judge to apply the test which he would apply to a live witness. The test applied by the judge in this case by reference to section 53 ….is a sound test. Does ‘B’ seem to have been able to understand the questions being put to her and was ‘B’ giving answers which could be understood.”
“…It is agreed she is unfit to give evidence at court now. Given the slow process of this deteriorating disease, what was her position in April [i.e. at the time of her video-taped interview] It would appear that both experts believe that she was in much the same condition then, unfit to come to a court and deliver that particular evidence and, I would add, be subject to cross-examination, whether it be by TV link or otherwise. Does that, therefore, mean this lady is not a competent witness to be given to the jury? The answer is no. The case of R v. D has … [indicated] that the test insection 53 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 is an appropriate one to use. … That is the test by which I must judge whether this lady is competent and therefore, that I could admit the evidence which is otherwise relevant. It is clear from the interview itself, and also from the evidence of both doctors, that the lady clearly does not always give what might be considered logical or appropriate answers to questions. However, it is perfectly clear at the simple level – what is your name, how old are you – she has an understanding and replies properly. It is also clear that she has a reasoning ability beyond that. … … It is clear to me that in parts this lady is entirely competent as to that test, and sufficiently so for a jury to evaluate her evidence. ….”
“We viewed the video as well as examining the transcript. … not only do we think there is no basis for interfering with judge’ view that it was in the interests of justice that this video should be admitted, but we entirely support his view. It seems to us that first, ‘B’ was understanding the questions which were being put to her and was able to give answers to those questions which can be understood. Secondly, ‘B’ prima facie has a right to have her complaint placed before a jury and a right to have a jury assess whether they are sure that the complaint is established and the putting of the video before the jury is the only way in which that right can be upheld. Thirdly, the appellant also has his rights but they are in this instance protected. He will be able to call medical evidence to challenge the capacity of ‘B’ to remember, understand and say what happened. In reality, as it seems to us, he will be in a stronger position before a jury than he would have been if ‘B’ had been called to give evidence and were to be cross-examined; we say that because the appellant through his lawyers and experts will be able to argue about the reliability of ‘B’ and will further be able to make the point that they have been unable to cross-examine her. If ’B’ had been questioned by advisers on behalf of the appellant at the time when the video was made, for example, her reaction might well have been much more positive about what had occurred to controvert what ‘B’ said. In those circumstances it seems to us that it will be possible for the appellant to controvert the statement of ‘B’ that this video should be admitted. It will and should be for a jury and a jury alone to decide with the aid of expert evidence the truthfulness or accuracy of what ‘B’ was saying.”
“All the process of examination of a witness before a jury has not taken place. Take very great care.”
“The prosecution say that is valuable for two reasons. Firstly, it is unprompted and it’s her first account and, secondly, it gives you consistency with the video, the next day, for all those reasons the prosecution say you can be sure … that he attempted to penetrate her with his penis. Well, what do the defence say? … they say … you cannot simply rely on that video. It is full of discrepancies. The experts say you can’t rely on the detail. To take the simplest thing, was her attacker black or white? If she’s wrong on that, she’s going to be wrong on just about everything else. Look at her variation. …. At one point she says two or three times, later it’s three or four, later it’s four or five. Even during the video, the story is changing. … her memory is composed of fragments from years ago, things she’s read, things that have happened to her and she just pulls them out without any logical connection, that she is suggestible and unreliable and you should disregard her video.”
“… you have looked at that video. You know what … she was like 24 hours later, when she’s secure back in the home. You know that both psychiatrists said she had no real concept of … what was going on … [in] that … interview or the seriousness of it. I have read out to you her behaviour and the reaction of the ordinary lay people, the policemen and Miss Jackson, who saw her closer to it. The prosecution say that Mr Sed’s account of this woman talking rationally and making sexual advances to him, some three or perhaps four hours before she was found in that garden is patent nonsense.”
“As soon as a police officer who is making enquiries of any person about an offence believes that a prosecution should be brought against him and that there is sufficient evidence for it to succeed, he shall ask the person if he has anything further to say. If the person indicates that he has nothing more to say the officer shall without delay cease to question him about that offence.”