"MR GROOME: As your Honour knows, there is one outstanding matter in relation to confiscation proceedings under the Proceeds of Crime Act. In due course, I will be making an application that those proceedings should be adjourned to a date shortly before Christmas and inviting your Honour to proceed with a sentencing before. JUDGE BRAY: If everybody agrees to that, I will do that. MR GROOME: Your Honour, yes. JUDGE BRAY: Thank you very much, Mr Groome."
"Can I just deal briefly with the question – my learned friend having raised the confiscation hearing point – so far as Ron Miller is concerned, it was indicated to the prosecution that we do not accept the amount of benefit as set out in the case summary. The matter will, of course, be dealt with in the confiscation."
"But, in my submission, he is suffering and has suffered significant punishment already and, of course, there are still the confiscation proceedings to come. He is aware that there are further matters which the prosecution will seek so far as he is concerned. So, your Honour, I have indicated what I say about the benefit and it is not accepted, the amounts that the prosecution put forward."
"JUDGE BRAY: So you would like me to proceed to sentence. It would, of course, only be a part sentence, you appreciate that. MR BRIGHT: In the sense that there would yet have to be an investigation into means and confiscation? JUDGE BRAY: Ah, that is also true. … "
"MR DONNELLAN: I am going to suggest that your Honour does not look at financial penalties because the Crown have served a notice indicating they are going to seek confiscation. If that is right, your Honour cannot make financial orders at this stage. JUDGE BRAY: Of any kind? MR DONNELLAN: That would appear to be so. JUDGE BRAY: Right, well, I can see the logic of that. MR DONNELLAN: …Given that the law has changed since Payne because of the confiscation proceedings, I am going to suggest your Honour considers either a community service order or a conditional discharge and leaves the financial penalties to due course."
"MR GROOME: Your Honour, yes. The applications for confiscation under the Proceeds of Crime [Act], that is the first matter I would like to raise. Your Honour already knows something of the inquiries that are in hand. I hope your Honour would not think it unreasonable for the Crown to invite the court to list that matter for mention perhaps at a convenient date in December, certainly before Christmas? JUDGE BRAY: Yes. Does the six month rule apply? MR GROOME: It does, yes. JUDGE BRAY: I think the earlier the better. I say this for one reason without wanting to aggravate the situation, that it has to be over before six months, as I understand it …"
"JUDGE BRAY: Right. When would you like it to be then? Do we want to fix a date or do you want to go and see the Listing Office in the usual way? MR GROOME: It would assist if we could see the List Office and try to arrange a date that is convenient for trial counsel. JUDGE BRAY: Who is that going to apply to? Just two of the defendants, is it? Three. MR GROOME: At the moment, notices have been served on all five. It is anticipated that there will be substantial proceedings against perhaps three. But that is a matter that will be reviewed after the conclusion of the inquiries that will take approximately another two months."
"(1). Where a court is acting under Section 71 above but considers that it requires further information before: (a) determining whether the defendant has benefited from any relevant criminal conduct; or … (c) determining the amount to be recovered in his case by virtue of section 72 above it may, for the purposes of enabling that information to be obtained, postpone making that determination for such period as it may specify. ….. (5) A postponement or extension under subsection (1) … may be made – (a)On application by the defendant or the prosecutor; or (b)by the court of its own motion. (6) … (7) Where the court exercises its powers under subsection (1) or (4) above, it may nevertheless proceed to sentence, or otherwise deal with, the defendant in respect of the offence or any of the offences concerned."
"15. The effect of those [statutory] provisions has been considered by this court on a number of occasions. It is now well recognised that the decision to postpone the confiscation procedure is a judicial decision involving the exercise of the court’s discretion: see for example, Steele and Shevki[2001] 2 Cr App R (S) 40 and Ross[2001] 2 Cr App R (S) 484 . The judicial decision must be made before sentence is passed and the decision must be made obvious by the judge. Potter LJ put the matter thus in Ross at paragraphs 25 and 26: No particular form of words is required, but the decision to postpone must be made manifest and, in particular, it must specify the period of the postponement, which cannot go beyond six months from the date of conviction unless the circumstances are exceptional. ….. 16. It has since been made clear that it is not necessary for the judge actually to announce his decision before imposing sentence. What he must do is to reach a decision about whether or not to postpone the confiscation inquiry before sentence. If he does so, it matters not whether he articulates that decision before or after passing sentence: see Steven Davies[2001] EWCA (Crim) 2902 "
"Now, having referred to the relevant material, it is certainly plain to me that, on 15 September, when His Honour Judge Bray said "
"There was no live issue to be determined when Mr Groome rose to make his observations, other than the question whether confiscation proceedings would take place before sentence or have to be postponed until after sentence, and therefore in my judgment, the distinction which Mr Milliken-Smith seeks to draw between an application being adjourned and a determination being adjourned or postponed is, on the facts of this case, an unreal distinction. It was not one that was drawn by any counsel at the time or any of them until recently."
"Section 72A provides a trap for the unwary advocate and for the busy judge. Without in any way detracting from the duty of the court to apply the statutory machinery in accordance with the decision of the Court of Appeal in Ross it seems to me there is no reason to over-elaborate the discussions and observations of counsel and judge by an excessive textual analysis of the words used, if, in fact, the judge has indicated a decision (which Judge Bray did) and everybody understood that decision to be that the determination was going to be postponed."