" ... I found it difficult to think any human being could behave in the way these did, I ordered psychiatric reports in the case of March and Davenport ... In the case of March, it appears there is nothing mentally wrong with him. I thought there must be because I cannot understand how anybody could behave, a member of the human race, in the way he did. I think this is a terrible case. I intend to lift the ban on the publication of their names for this reason, that the pre-sentence reports do not give him the hope that they necessarily will go right in the future ... so that other families can be aware."
" ... So the totality for a particularly wicked crime, and the public must think the criminal justice system is failing them when that is the position, is only two years. Mr. Scobie [counsel for the Appellant] has argued that I am statutorily bound to take into account in his client's case a plea of guilty... and the period he has served and I certainly found his argument powerful, but it has not persuaded me. In this case, the defendants are in an enviable position which they did not deserve by the acceptance by the Crown of lesser pleas to the same events and it seems to me that they have had all the discount they could possibly hope for, indeed far more because if they had been found guilty of indecent assault, two years would not have been the length of the sentence I would have imposed. They have had all the benefit of the acceptance of pleas to counts which do not fully reflect what are the unchallenged facts in this case and I therefore propose in the case of March to impose 24 months in totality, a detention and training order."
" ... counsel should be wary when offering advice that a discount can be expected, and [should] not .. be over-emphatic and should avoid giving anything in the nature of an assurance which might raise the defendant's hopes unduly. To that caution we add our approval. There were exceptional cases ... where no discount was given for a plea of guilty...."
" in determining the total term of the detention and training orders it proposes to make in respect of the offender, the court shall take account of the total period (if any) for which he has been remanded in custody in connection with any of those offences..." (2) It is therefore plain that, when imposing a Detention and Training Order, the court must "take account" of the time spent by the offender in custody on remand. (3) However, to "take account" of time spent in custody on remand does not mean reflecting it in some specific way in the sentence passed; there is no rule of general application as to what credit should be allowed; as explained by Rose,LJ in Fieldhouse and Watts ( supra ), at p.365: "
" The reason for that may be that the periods to which the court is entitled to sentence a young defendant to detention and training orders are specified in blocks separated by several precise numbers of months and a provision that time spent in custody is to be deducted from the sentence according to the precise amount of time spent in custody would be inconsistent or capable of being inconsistent with that provision."