“In some jurisdictions the forensic tradition is that judges sit mute, listening to advocates without interruption, asking no question, voicing no opinion, until they break their silence to give judgment. That is a perfectly respectable tradition, but it is not ours. Practice naturally varies from judge to judge, and obvious differences exist between factual issues at first instance and legal issues on appeal. But on the whole the English tradition sanctions and even encourages a measure of disclosure by the judge of his current thinking. It certainly does not sanction the premature expression of factual conclusions or anything which may prematurely indicate a closed mind. But a judge does not act amiss if, in relation to some feature of a party’s case which strikes him as inherently improbable, he indicates the need for unusually compelling evidence to persuade him of the fact. An expression of scepticism is not suggestive of bias unless the judge conveys an unwillingness to be persuaded of a factual proposition whatever the evidence may be.”
“… such statements can positively assist the advocate or litigant in knowing where particular efforts may need to be pointed. In general terms, there need be no bar on robust expression by a judge, so long as it is not indicative of a closed mind. In fact, sometimes robust expression may be positively necessary in order to displace a presumption or misapprehension, whether wilful or otherwise, on the part of an advocate or litigant on a point which has the potential to be highly material to the case.”
“… I would add a word of caution for tribunals who choose to indicate their thinking before the hearing is concluded. As can be seen from this case, it is easy for this to be misunderstood, particularly if the views are expressed trenchantly. It is always good practice to leave the parties in no doubt that such expressions of view are only provisional and that the Tribunal remain[s] open to persuasion.”
“THE JUDGE: Well how are we going to proceed after I dropped the bombshell yesterday? Carrying on as if nothing's happened? LA ADVOCATE: Well I need to address you on that. THE JUDGE: Please, yes. LA ADVOCATE: Your Honour, yesterday afternoon you gave comments and quite significant comments… THE JUDGE: Yes. LA ADVOCATE: The problem I have is that your comments could be characterised as a preliminary determination of the application. I'm not trying to read Your Honour’s mind, I know that Your Honour might have a different impression of the language with which that message was delivered. THE JUDGE: No, Mr Coutts, I don’t mind not beating about the bush, no, it’s not a preliminary determination, it’s a clear indication that I cannot at the moment accept the care plan, I decided to tell you at this stage in proceedings because I didn't want us to waste time hearing evidence that I cannot see in any way shape or form will change my view. We’re going to hear from the family finder but that is not going to tell me anything about the principle of whether adoption is the correct course of action… it’ll tell me how quickly it can be done. I don't say that the child should be returned to mother, I'm not in any way suggesting that that is my view at the moment but what I’m saying is that I cannot at the moment… I can’t think of any evidence that I’m going to hear from the Guardian that will change my mind. LA ADVOCATE: I think Your Honour, that’s the problem. Your Honour has in effect indicated at this stage of the case that you cannot see any way in which evidence that you now continue to hear at this hearing will affect your Honour’s view that adoption is not in [A]’s best interests. Ergo, you have determined that, in my respectful submission, and if that is right, and I know Your Honour may disagree with me about that, if that is right, then it might be prudent for me to ask you to make a formal ruling about that… THE JUDGE: Very happy to do that, yes. I’ve thought about it long and hard, read the Guardian’s analysis, I see what she says… though I don’t see the Guardian’s position in this case will change from that which she has set out… I’ve tried to give people a heads up and I’d rather do it now, rather than at the end of the hearing everyone think “Why didn’t he tell us earlier on? Waste of time”
“CG ADVOCATE: … The Guardian has filed a report in February and has thought about things very carefully since your indication. She has a lot to say but given your very strong indication, I think that we need to reflect on whether we proceed because you’ve said what you’ve said and taken a view… (inaudible) before making a final decision, and you have pre-empted that… THE JUDGE: Has she changed her mind? CG ADVOCATE: She hasn’t changed her mind but she has thought about your concerns very carefully, as have I, and we’ve discussed them, we’ve done a lot of work over what you’ve said… she has a lot to say, but given your indication, I would need to reflect on whether we go ahead, because… THE JUDGE: Fair enough, entirely, I do understand that. CG ADVOCATE: … I don’t know whether we should have a little more time to think about how to proceed… Because what you're saying is whatever the Guardian says to you, whatever she says, and she’s got a wealth of expertise, more than the social worker, much more, in all sorts of fields: long term fostering, social work, guardian work and adoption. So she thought about all the issues and the welfare of all the children, that’s her duty, and the relationships between all the parties… she’s reflected on the expert evidence but you have said, in terms, this morning that whatever she says to you won't make any difference what she says to you. So I do think some time is needed… THE JUDGE: No no, I’m very happy…”
“M ADVOCATE: … I'm bound to say, Your Honour, it's not right to say that Your Honour has come to a view, a phrase that is often used. Your Honour has been seized of this matter for a very long time and Your Honour has been the tribunal when we've been in this position before, and minds have been changed…”
“THE JUDGE: Please feel free to go outside, and take as long as you want…”
“THE JUDGE: Mr Coutts… LA ADVOCATE: I have sent you an email, I don’t know if you’ve… THE JUDGE: Yes, yes I’ve seen it. Thank you very much indeed. I’ve read it. I am going to give you permission to appeal – LA ADVOCATE: Thank you. THE JUDGE: – not because I particularly think I am wrong, but because I don’t want to waste time because I am acutely aware that my decision has sort of delayed things which is why I am going to give you permission to appeal. LA ADVOCATE: Your Honour, I think it goes without saying, I hope, that the rest of the hearing this week is stayed. THE JUDGE: Yes, of course yes. Although if the outcome is to overturn me, you might want it in front of another judge. But that’s another story, and you know, I am quite relaxed about that. The other thing Mr Coutts that you might want to do is get a transcript of the bit of the hearing this morning where I, frankly, made the decision. LA ADVOCATE: I absolutely would want the transcript, both of yesterday and today, and I think also it might be very helpful to have the transcript of the evidence we have had so far from this part of the final hearing (inaudible) what we probably do need is a transcript of [SS]’s evidence. THE JUDGE: Okay well thank you. Obviously, Ms [G] we are not going to need you today. MS G (Family Finder): Okay, thank you. Thank you very much, I’ll leave. See you. Bye. THE JUDGE: Bye, um, yes well obviously we will stay the proceedings and what we will do is find out what the Court of Appeal says. And when they say it, we will work out what we are going to do next. LA ADVOCATE: Yes, your Honour, Thank you very much. THE JUDGE: I’m sorry that I… well I’m not sorry that I’ve said what I’ve said because I actually believe quite firmly what I’ve said is right, but I am sorry that it is causing a further delay which I didn’t want to do but I thought it is better to do it at this stage than to do it, I think, at the end. LA ADVOCATE: Your Honour I – thank you for those comments. THE JUDGE: I’m not doing it because I’m being difficult, as I said I have only about three times in my career had the feeling I can’t do something, and this is one of them… of my judicial career that is. LA ADVOCATE: Nothing more for me to say. THE JUDGE: No no, thank you. That’s fair enough. Thank you for the application. Yes, as I say, granted, so that it can be brought on quickly. Anything else? LA ADVOCATE: Not from me Your Honour.”
“THE JUDGE: I also said, I repeat it so you’re clear, my indication was not necessarily thinking about a return to mother. That wasn’t – that part of the exercise – I hadn’t gone through that. M ADVOCATE: Your Honour made that perfectly plain, obviously that is a matter that is still – THE JUDGE: Subject to determination – M ADVOCATE: And I say nothing about that because we are only dealing with this very specific – you made it very plain that it was not in (inaudible) I am not asking you to set those reasons out. THE JUDGE: Well because all I was satisfied was that adoption was not the right decision. M ADVOCATE: Precisely. THE JUDGE: What the right decision was, was not then in my mind, it still isn’t in my mind, I haven’t reached a decision on that.”
“CG ADVOCATE: The Guardian is very worried about the delays for [A], she supported the Local Authority application to proceed with this matter in July, which your Honour refused. And, um, she’s really concerned that the difficulties that [R] has have caused this series of events which lead to where we are today. [A] needs a determination of her future, she needed it – I mean the guardian’s report was in February, that’s a long time ago and she needs a decision. And so the Guardian has thought very carefully about her position today, she wanted to give evidence, she wanted to expound upon the matters that you were concerned about and she would’ve assisted the court in relation to matters of [A]’s future, the relationships and contact of course. She is disappointed not to be able to do, but she does agree with the Local Authority that this matter should proceed on that course. THE JUDGE: Yes, I fully understand that. We are all grown up adults and understand one another’s position. Thank you. Right, Mr Coutts, I think I probably need an order uploaded please, because we haven’t had one. Which probably just says, something like “application for permission to appeal, appeal permission granted, proceedings stayed pending outcome of appeal”
“Has she changed her mind?”