“If a person, being a trustee, chooses to employ a solicitor for the purpose of conducting the affairs of the trust, which, of course, the solicitor is well aware of, there is a distinction between his employing that same solicitor for exactly similar purposes with regard to which he is not a trustee.”
“he would be told, “you ordered it to be done, you were told it was useless, and you must pay for it.””
“and then comes this question, which is properly a question for the Taxing Master to determine, is it proper, or necessary, or fit, for the administration of the trust that certain things should be done? Now, on a question of quantum the Court always allows the opinion of the Taxing Master to be paramount and follows it, and this rule really applies not merely to a question of quantum, but, if I may go on with the same sort of illustration, to a question of quoties. For instance, it is a question of quantum whether you shall allow 13s. 4d. or 6s. 6d for an interview; it is a question of quoties whether you shall allow ten or twelve interviews. On those matters the Taxing Master is best capable to form a judgment, and he always goes through these matters very carefully. I am of opinion that I cannot alter any of the taxation of the Taxing Master. …”
“that a Solicitor cannot be allowed to interpose the payment of his bill of costs, by a person in the situation of a trustee, between himself and the parties ([beneficiaries]) for whom he was at the time aware that the person who paid him was no more than a trustee—as, here, an executor acting for the parties beneficially interested under the will.—That the [beneficiaries], whose funds were to bear the whole expenses of the suit, had a right to make use of the name of their trustees and executors (giving them proper indemnity), to obtain a taxation of the bill;—for, although these trustees and executors would be entitled to retain or be paid any money which they had expended, yet the taxation of a Solicitor's bill could operate no injury to them, as the Solicitor could have no right to demand against them more than would be allowed on taxation.”
“20. It is also necessary to be aware of provisions of the CPR which deal with assessments as between solicitor and client, above all rule [46.9(3)]. The rule applies to every such assessment except a legal aid assessment. “Subject to paragraph [(2)], costs are to be assessed on the indemnity basis but are to be presumed— (a) to have been reasonably incurred if they were incurred with the express or implied approval of the client; (b) to be reasonable in amount if their amount was expressly or impliedly approved by the client; (c) to have been unreasonably incurred if— (i) they are of an unusual nature or amount; and (ii) the solicitor did not tell his client that as a result he might not recover all of them from the other party.” 21. Assessment on the indemnity basis is governed by rule [44.3]. By rule [44.3(1)], even on the indemnity basis the court will not allow costs that are unreasonably incurred or unreasonable in amount. [Rule 44.3(3)] provides that where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the indemnity basis, the court will resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably incurred or were reasonable in amount in favour of the receiving party. The presumptions in rule [49.6(3)] apply for that purpose. 22. It seems clear that the presumptions in rule [49.6(3)] are rebuttable, and that the presumption in paragraph (c) can prevail over those in paragraphs (a) and (b). Subject to that, however, if the client has expressly or impliedly approved of the incurring of the costs for which the bill is rendered, and their amount, there seems to be no scope for contending that the costs ought to be disallowed as between solicitor and client.” “Subject to paragraph [(2)], costs are to be assessed on the indemnity basis but are to be presumed— (a) to have been reasonably incurred if they were incurred with the express or implied approval of the client; (b) to be reasonable in amount if their amount was expressly or impliedly approved by the client; (c) to have been unreasonably incurred if— (i) they are of an unusual nature or amount; and (ii) the solicitor did not tell his client that as a result he might not recover all of them from the other party.”
“19. The provisions of sections 70 and 71 go back to sections 37 and 38 of theSolicitors Act 1843 … . These were much longer, but their substance was essentially the same (though the provisions about time limits were less elaborate). In the 1843 Act section 37 provided for a reference to taxation, and for an order to be made on that reference. Section 38 allowed for a third party to apply for the same purpose, and provided that “the same reference and order shall be made thereupon, and the same course pursued in all respects, as if such application was made by the party so chargeable with such bill”
“We were shown a succession of cases decided under the 1843 Act. Since, subject to one contention for the claimant, the legislation is in substance the same, the decisions of the Court of Appeal on section 38 of the 1843 Act bind us in relation to section 71.”
“However, two years later in In re Brown … Lord Romilly MR had to consider a taxation under section 38 of the bill of a solicitor acting for the trustee under a will. (Section 39 of the 1843 Act was the predecessor of the present section 71(3)(4), which appear to govern such a process, but nothing seems to turn on whether it was section 38 or 39 that was relevant.)”
“41. As to issues of detail, whether to allow one amount or another for an interview, and whether to allow for ten or for twelve interviews, he held that he would not interfere with the Taxing Master's judgment. 42. The report does not disclose what order had been made, but since the trustee was not a party to the taxation, there cannot have been an order against him. Presumably, therefore, the order was that the solicitor should refund money to the trust fund, or to the beneficiaries directly. That is therefore more promising for third parties, and for the appellant in the present case, and it shows a rather different attitude from that adopted in the earlier cases which I have cited.”
“As regards quantification it only allows the costs judge to follow what might be called a blue pencil approach. He can eliminate (a) items which ought not to be laid at the door of the third party at all because they are outwith the scope of his liability, here as mortgagor, and (b) items which are only allowable as between client and solicitor on a special arrangement basis, within the terms of CPR [46.9(3)(c)]. He cannot either eliminate any other item or reduce the quantum of any item which is properly included in itself, but for which he considers that the charge made is excessive, unless he could have done so as between client and solicitor on an assessment under section 70.”
“96. As regards payment, if the third party has not yet paid anything in respect of the bill (or only sums on account which are less than the amount properly allowable) then the section 71 assessment may be useful to the third party, because he should not be liable to pay more than the amount so certified. Formally the client, not being a party to the assessment, will not be bound by the result but in practice it may be as effective as against the client as it is as between the third party and the solicitor. The same would be true if the third party has paid the costs but has done so directly to the solicitor. 97. If, however, the client has paid the solicitor, and the third party has paid the client, then it seems to me that the third party's remedy must lie against the client, not against the solicitor, because it cannot be right to require the solicitor to pay to the third party money which he received from his client and which his client was bound to pay to him, merely because the third party was not liable to pay the same amount to the client. 98. In those circumstances, the third party ought to bring proceedings against the client to establish how much was due from him to the client. In a mortgage case such as the present, the proceedings would be conventional proceedings for an account of what was due under the mortgage. Such proceedings would enable the court to determine the correct issue as between the correct parties, and if appropriate to order repayment by the mortgagee to the mortgagor. In such proceedings it would be possible for the court to do what cannot be done under a section 71 assessment, namely to disallow part of an amount claimed on the basis that something was due, but not as much as is claimed – for example by substituting a lower hourly rate.”