“. . . It was common ground that the premises are an HMO and that the Appellants [Palmview] knew of the mandatory licensing regime however the Appellants [Palmview] maintain that they have a reasonable excuse for not having a licence at the relevant time namely that they were led to believe by the Respondents that they would not get a licence.”
“Whilst the Respondent’s planning department wrongly maintained a position that the kitchen extension was unlawful the Appellants [Palmview] could not move forward and apply for a licence. It is right to say however, that the Appellants [Palmview] continued to let the premises notwithstanding the fact that there was no licence. Laura Bailey moved into the premises on5th March 2019 .”
“. . . Mr Sternlicht said that there should be no penalty for the failure to license the premises between October 2018 and July 2019. The Appellants [Palmview] had been caught in a Catch 22 situation. If the Respondents [the Council] had properly interpreted the planning rules they would have recognised that the new kitchen was lawful and the Appellants [Palmview] could have applied for an HMO licence at an earlier stage.”
“42. The real question for the Tribunal is whether a landlord had a reasonable excuse for not applying for a licence if he was told or led to believe by the council that such an application was a waste of time in light of its own planning decision which was in fact unlawful? 43. This question breaks down into several sub-questions: First the general principle – I.e. would this scenario as outlined represent a reasonable excuse? If yes were the Appellants and more specifically Mr Sternlicht told or led to believe that the application was a waste of time? If yes was it reasonable for the Appellants to fail to apply for a licence as a result of this? 44. We consider that a landlord who did not apply for a licence because he was told or led to believe by the council that such an application was a waste of time would have a reasonable excuse for his failure to license.”
“36. I do not agree with Mr Paget that to look for a reasonable excuse for managing and controlling the HMO without a licence, rather than for not applying for one, is impermissible because it narrows the defence. On the contrary it is vital to observe what the statute actually says. The focus must be on an excuse for committing the offence; there might be all sorts of reasons for not applying for a licence that might, or might not, not [sic] provide a reasonable excuse for the commission of the offence. As the appellant [the Council] says, there would not be a reasonable excuse where it was open to the landlord to avoid committing an offence altogether by legitimising its position – either by making an application or by taking steps to keep the number of occupants below five. 37. It is conceivable that a good reason for not applying for a licence might provide an excuse for committing the offence, for example the level of ignorance of the law referred to in Daoudi, noted above. I am not going to speculate on the possibilities. I am not persuaded that where a landlord fails to apply for a licence because it thinks it will be refused and for an incorrect reason, that amounts to a good reason not to apply (in view of the obvious advantage to a landlord of bringing itself within section 72(4)(b) and in view of the fact that an appeal system exists for cases where the local authority gets it wrong), let alone for committing the offence. 38. In this appeal the FTT found that that was a good reason for not applying for a licence; but the FTT did not ask itself the correct question, namely why that amounted to a reasonable excuse for committing the office. Had it done so it would have recognised that the two things are not the same, and that the reason given by Mr Sternlicht for not applying for a licence was not a reasonable excuse for committing the offence. The FTT made a mistake of law and thereby reached an obviously incorrect conclusion. For that reason its decision is set aside.” ”
“Offences in relation to licensing of HMOs (1). A person commits an offence if he is a person having control of or managing an HMO which is required to be licensed under this Part (see section 61(1)) but is not so licensed. . . . (4) In proceedings against a person for an offence under subsection (1) it is a defence that, at the material time – (a) a notification had been duly given in respect of the house under section 62(1), or (b) an application for a licence had been duly made in respect of the house under section 63, and that notification or application was still effective (see subsection (8)). (5) In proceedings against a person for an offence under subsection (1) . . . it is a defence that he had a reasonable excuse - (a) for having control of or managing a house in the circumstances described in subsection (1) . . . as the case may be. … (8) For the purposes of subsection (4) [ie. a defence to proceedings brought under s 72(1)] a notification or application is “effective” at a particular time if at that time it has not been withdrawn, and either—” the authority have not decided whether to serve a temporary exemption notice, or (as the case may be) grant a licence, in pursuance of the notification or application, or if they have decided not to do so, one of the conditions set out in subsection (9) is met. (9) The conditions are— that the period for appealing against the decision of the authority not to serve or grant such a notice or licence (or against any relevant decision of [the appropriate tribunal]) has not expired, or that an appeal has been brought against the authority’s decision (or against any relevant decision of such a tribunal) and the appeal has not been determined or withdrawn. (10) In subsection (9) “relevant decision” means a decision which is given on an appeal to the tribunal and confirms the authority’s decision (with or without variation).”
“A person has control of or manages an HMO. They are aware that they do not meet the criteria for an application [for a licence] to be granted. This may be because either the property is simply not up to standard, or for example they have relevant convictions which would preclude them from obtaining a licence. A person in that situation would clearly havea reasonable excuse for not applying for a licence – because they know it would never be granted. . . .”
“A person has control of and manages an HMO in an area not currently subject to licencing. The LHA implement a licencing scheme, and the person attempts to apply for a licence. In doing so, for reasons beyond their control, payment for a licence is not made (for example, a banking error which prevents payment going through, or prevents expected funds from clearing into their account to make payment). As a result of this delay the person is, for a brief period, in control of or managing an HMO which should be but is not licensed.”
“Was it reasonable for the Appellants to fail to apply for a licence. . .”