"There are clearly good reasons to undertake a careful assessment of grandmother's mental health. The acid question, however, was whether that had to be undertaken with the child removed to foster care."
"the court should not make an interim care order unless the child's safety demands immediate separation from her current carers."
“38. … The social workers asked the grandmother about the mother’s mental health episode and grandmother started talking about mother’s having had an acute psychotic episode at home in 2009. The grandmother was carefully taken through at least half of that statement or report by Miss Hughes and I have tried to incorporate what the grandmother said about certain parts of it. She said the mother was very restless, moving from room to room very quickly and mounting the stairs so rapidly that it was unnatural. The grandmother followed and at the bedroom doorway mother said something about crossing the threshold together. Grandmother did not like the sound of this and hung back. The mother leapt, as if flying, across the room and out of the window. The grandmother said about that that she leapt up by jumping on to a table in front of the window. She got out of the window. She went feet first and she held the mother by the hands. 39. This happened again, but the second time the mother went out of the window and on to the front porch. The grandmother said it was on to the flat roof. Christine Wilson in oral evidence was clear that the grandmother made reference to mother’s feet leaving the floor and her flying through the air. 40. The grandmother agreed with the following passage: ‘During this episode, S had several different entities, the old lady, the clutterbuck and the neat and tidy calm person. As an old lady, S’s shoulder went down and it was as if she had scoliosis of this spine on one side. This was more than just a change of body image. Later, C [the grandmother] said that something was distorting her, i.e. something demonic.’ In oral evidence the grandmother confirmed that she thought was demonic “C said that she and L also heard voices, not S’s.” 41. In oral evidence, the grandmother said that these voices were coming out of S. They were not S’s voice. She went on to say in oral evidence, “I felt something external propelling and speaking through the mother. One voice said something like ‘I’ve got a breast here’. A different voice said ‘She’s got blades down here.’”
"On the information before me, in the absence of a psychiatric assessment to the contrary, the grandmother could have hallucinations and hear voices again at any moment. If she did, the baby might be harmed. That there has been no reported instance of such an episode since 2009 does not in any way reduce the risk which remains unquantified."
"In my judgment A is in a deeply unsafe place. There is a likelihood, in the sense of a real possibility or a possibility which cannot sensibly be ignored, that the grandmother will suffer further hallucinations and that, if she does so, she will not report them. I am very concerned about the likelihood that she will think that the baby is possessed by demons in the same way that she thought the mother was in 2009. I am concerned about the real possibility that she will do something to the baby that is harmful in order to remove the demons. The grandmother's thought processes and actions in respect of the mother in 2009 were abnormal and gravely worrying. They go far beyond ordinary and acceptable religious belief because they demonstrate disordered and delusional thinking. I use these words in their ordinary English sense and not as an assessment of her mental health, that being for the psychiatric assessment."
"However, it would be reasonable for me to say that my findings of Mrs S on4 September 2012 revealed her to be calm, appropriate and without any gross psychiatric disturbance. She was able to openly recount her previous psychological experiences which were broadly consistent with the medical notes which have been provided. I could find no evidence of any intrusive symptoms of depression or other current psychological problems. She was able to speak about hearing voices on two separate occasions and from the information available, this would not merit a diagnosis of a psychotic illness. In conclusion at the moment there is no evidence of active psychiatric illness. However, I will be addressing this question in more depth and with greater accuracy when I file the report."
"The delusional mental state of the grandmother during the 2009 incident occurred suddenly and at a time when the mother herself was having a psychotic episode. On the information before me, in the absence of a psychiatric assessment to the contrary, the grandmother could have hallucinations and hear voices again at any moment. If she did, the baby might be harmed. That there has been no reported incidence of such an episode since 2009 does not in any way reduce the risk which remains unquantified."
"In my judgment A is in a deeply unsafe place. There is a likelihood, in the sense of a real possibility, or a possibility which cannot sensibly be ignored, that the grandmother will suffer further hallucinations, and that if she does so she will not report them."
"I am very concerned about the likelihood that she will think that the baby is possessed by demons in the same way that she thought the mother was in 2009. I am concerned about the real possibility she would do something to the baby that is harmful in order to remove demons."