"8. [The twins] are the 5th and 6th children respectively to be born to the Mother. The Mother's previous four children have been the subjects of 2 separate sets of public law proceedings in Nottingham County Court, both of which have been conducted by H.H.J. Butler QC. None of these children have returned to the care of their mother. 9. [The twins]are also the 5th and 6th children of the father. A residence order in respect of his second child…(born 1.04) was made by the Nottingham [Family Proceedings Court] in 2005; however, care proceedings were commenced in respect of [the child] in 2007 and, at their conclusion, the maternal grandparents received a residence order. The remainder of the father's birth children are in the care of their (2) mothers."
"... and here, the expert evidence is, the evidence of Dr Sawtell at the end of March, that these parents could not safely parent children unless further therapeutic work was undertaken, and that that could only be done on a voluntary basis."
"There are very few welfare issues in this case, because the practical day-to-day care is not an issue. What is an issue, and it comes to the three reports by Dr Sawtell and her evidence at the end of March, is the psychological aspect of this. And that cannot be covered by an independent social worker."