“Q. So when did the damage, do you say, to the stock occur? A. It happened over a period of time. Q. Right. In this particular locale? In this area? A. Yes. Yes. Q. Because of water cascading through the roof in the area around the purlin? A. Yes. Yes. Q. Did this happen before the beam dropped? Was there water coming through? A. Water was coming through before it dropped, yes. It wasn’t coming through as badly but it was coming through. Q. Right. Did that cause you to think, “Maybe it’s the flashings. That may be the cause of the water coming through”? A. No, because, as far as I was concerned, the flashings were still there. Q. Yes, but they may have failed themselves, one of them or more of them. A. I don’t know. Q. You did not give any thought. A. I gave thought to the water coming in my property because of the missing downpipe, yes. Q. Yes, but you did not give any thought to what the cause may be. A. Well, the cause was the missing downpipe. That’s where the water was coming from. THE RECORDER: Why did you think that in any event? A. Well, you could hear the water on the roof coming in in bucket loads. It was really, really strong and that was because the downpipe was missing. Q. Yes, but if the intersection was secure then surely if there was a downpipe or not then there would not have been a leak? A. I’m sorry; I don’t follow you. Q. You say that the only reason for the leak was the missing downpipe. Yes? A. Yes. Q. But if the section between the wall of Downshire’s property and your roof was secure then (you may not be able to answer this because you are not an expert, and I am certainly not an expert) if that section was secure, whether there was downpipe or not, would that not mean there would be no leakage? A. There was leakage, yes. It was streaming through but it wasn’t cascading down.”
“Q. No doubt the Recorder will take a view about the evidence that he has heard from Mr Horridge. Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that that was the evidence - that water was coming in in much smaller quantities at the site. Would that change your view as to causation? A. That would depend on exactly where the water was coming, because the other issue then, of course, is that if you assume that the purlin is not defective at this point but you still have a missing rainwater pipe, you are getting a volume of water discharging on to the roof that the roof and rainwater goods cannot cope with because they are not designed to take that volume of water. Q. The flashing could fail because of the amount of water hitting it? A. What you would then get is water overtopping the gutter in the valley and, in turn, soaking the inside and drenching the wall and soaking upwards potentially resulting in exactly the same problem anyway. Q. Right. But if the flashing itself is defective – it has failed and water is coming in – that is going to be a significant precipitate cause, is it not, in terms of the beam failure in due course? A. Of course it will be a contributor, yes. Q. Are you in a position to say to what extent, in your view, if it fell at that point? A. Not really. It would depend exactly on the circumstances at the time. If it is a hairline crack, it would be minimal. If it is a massive split and it has worn away from the wall then obviously you are to get a significant amount of water. Q. Yes. Because, of course, your theory is premised upon water falling for an extended period of time, is it not, from the missing downpipe? A. Yes. Yes. Q. It takes time for the water to be absorbed by the bricks to rot the purlin from the inside. A. Yes. Q. How long, would you say? Is it years? That is how I understand it; that it is a matter of years. A. It does not have to be. I would say for probably a piece of timber that size, it is probably two or three years.”
“Finally I do not regard Mr Gillies’ evidence to be in any way unreliable, in the light of Mr Horridge’s admission that water was coming through the roof before the purlin dropped.”
“I am sorry to interrupt you, Mr Charles. If there is any force in the point, I think it goes only to the question of apportionment, if anything, but I am not sure, the way the case has completed on how the evidence has come out, that I have got the necessary material to deal with the question of apportionment. I could guess, but I think, if I guess, both of you will probably go up to the Court of Appeal. Whilst, without wishing to be disrespectful to Mr Boyd, the point has a superficial attraction, I looked at my notes over lunch and saw the context in which the concession (if you want to call it a concession) was made, but I am not sure it is the key point.”
“Seeing as your Honour was in no position to determine apportionment, Mr Horridge could not make out his case on causation.”
“There has been an application for permission to appeal against my decision, primarily arising out of the evidence that Mr Horridge gave, namely that there had been water penetration before the purlin under the valley 4 dropped. I take it the application for permission to appeal is on the basis that the appeal will have a real prospect of success? I refuse the application because I am not satisfied, on the basis of submissions, that it could be said that taking into account the weight of the evidence, particularly the evidence of Mr Gillies, that that issue should have, or could reasonably have, outweighed all the other evidence, particularly of Mr Gillies, so as to lead to a conclusion that the claim should fail.”
“Thinking about it, the experts might have been asked to deal with some form of apportionment. These things always come out at trial.”