“Q. We’ll come back to that in a moment, but if I can take you back to the time when you moved from the small room into the large room. You agreed with Mrs André, didn’t you, that you’d pay a rent of£250 for the large room? A. It was£250 for the whole flat. Q. I suggest that it was for the large room only. A. No, that’s not right. Originally it was£200 , which we were all paying, and because I suppose I wanted to live on my own, I offered to pay£250 for the whole flat.” … “Q. Now, again in 1996, you agreed with Mrs André that you’d help her to find someone to occupy the small room? A. I offered to.”
“Q. He paid Mrs André£173 a week [it should be£175 a month]. A. I don’t know what -- what he paid her. That was an arrangement between them. Q. You don’t know, because this arrangement had nothing to do with you. A. No, it was -- it was something that they agreed together, but I knew that he wasn’t going to be there for very long, and he was a sort of person who, to be honest, spent a lot of time with his parents, so I knew he wouldn’t be cooking and he wouldn’t be in my way”. … “Q. And again you agreed with Mr André this time, that you’d help find someone else to live in the small room. A. Yes, I suppose I did. Q. And you found Mr Kennedy? A. Yes.” … “Q. But he never -- Mr Kennedy didn’t have any agreement with you to live in that small room? A. No written document, no. Q. And he didn’t make any payments to you -- A. No. Q. -- for being in that small room? A. No. Q. And you didn’t go in the small room while Mr Kennedy had it, did you? A. No.”