"When I had heard submissions on the threshold criteria from counsel for the two parents I told the other advocates that I would not need to hear from them as I was minded to find that the threshold criteria were satisfied. I do so on the basis that at the material time the children were suffering significant harm and were likely to suffer significant harm due to deficiencies in the care given them by their parents. There is evidence that the children were exposed to rows between the parents that led to violence inflicted by the father on the mother or by the mother on herself and that the children suffered some emotional harm in the result. In this respect I accept the evidence of Mrs Westmacott, which was thorough and cogent. As to the 'belting' allegation, [this was] not only not proved to the high degree of cogency required, but I consider for a variety of reasons that it is very unlikely that the father ever used a belt on his children. The allegation did however lead to the removal of the children and to the scrutiny of these two unfortunate parents by Mrs Westmacott, which has in turn led to the conclusion, which again I accept, that there is a likelihood of further harm if the court's powers are not exercised."
"It is understood that you will not deal independently with any one party without reference to the others and it is essential that there are no informal unrecorded discussions ... with any of the professionals ... involved in the case ... If documents are exchanged with one party, please copy them to all others."
"In my view [G] has already suffered significant harm in the care of her parents through being exposed to sexual abuse, violent emotions and physical assaults on her mother by her father and a degree of neglect of her medical needs. She has significant learning difficulties, related to language and communication which are similar to those of her parents and thus their ability to support her educationally is compromised. Her behaviour as reported by the school is very significantly different to that of her peers and there is evidence of considerable emotional disturbance."
" There are indications that [B] did not flourish in his parents' care and that his physical, behavioural, intellectual and social development were compromised by their inability to give him appropriate stimulation and support. Since he has been in the care of [the foster parents] there has been a marked change in his behaviour and competence within school. The school reports suggest that he is having difficulty with interpersonal relationships and that there is some evidence of emotional disturbance. He is not meeting his potential."
"It is highly likely that if the children were to return to their care there would be further episodes of violence and they would be at risk of further significant harm, emotionally, socially and physically."
"All of that seems to have created an emotional distress factor for them. Then there is the problem of [G] being sexually assaulted, which undoubtedly caused her significant harm and would have had a backlash on [B] as well. I would not subscribe to the view that their developmental delay was in any way -- if I can use the word -- the 'fault' of the parents, because I don't feel that they came to harm in that context specifically but I do think they came to emotional harm and I think that they have both probably been very, very damaged."
"The difficulty with the ... family is not that there is obvious harm. Although there are allegations, this is not a situation where there is explicit malicious abuse or extreme abuse. On the contrary my concern in this family relates to the more subtle and ambiguous consequences on the children flowing from parental deficiencies."
"Q ... What do you mean by 'ambiguous consequences'? A. I am talking about the way that you can interpret things in different ways and how you can interpret behaviour differently and how -- it's all -- this is all very subtle. By 'ambiguous' I mean some of the consequences have been good of their behaviour, some of the consequences have been bad. It's difficult to get clear on this case. Q. ... You are not clear ... what the consequences are for the future for the children flowing from these parental deficiencies that you have outlined? A. No, I'm not clear. I can only do an estimate of risk."
"If it were a choice of balancing the known defects of every parent with some added problems that this father has against idealised perfect adopters, in a very large number of cases children would immediately move out of the family circle and towards adopters. That would be social engineering and it is important to bear that in mind in looking at the problems which arise in this case. It was put far better than I could hope to put it by Lord Templeman in Re KD (A Minor) (Ward: Termination of Access)[1988] 1 AC 806 at p 812; [1988] FCR 657 at p 660D: 'The best person to bring up a child is the natural parent. It matters not whether the parent is wise or foolish, rich or poor, educated or illiterate, provided the child's moral and physical health are not in danger. Public authorities cannot improve on nature.'"
"I consider that it would be unfair to subject the parents, with all their disadvantages, to the stress of an assessment in an unfamiliar establishment of a kind likened in other case to a 'goldfish bowl'. Failure would be a particularly bitter blow to the children themselves and would make any eventual placement that much more problematic."