“As issues of privilege and anonymity were involved, which are difficult to disentangle, the reasons for the decisions made are set out in a separate case management summary. Reasons were delivered orally at the time.”
“I am wanting to give notice that I will be seeking (sic) an application to allow Mr Abassi to be called as a witness to give evidence. The background is already largely known to the tribunal. When approached by the first claimant, Mr Abassi refused to give evidence because he believed [that he was subject to a legal impediment which] prevented him from doing so. In addition, he made it clear that, were he to be forced to come, he would refuse to answer questions put to him. There are ways to get round that, but the reality of the situation was that a reluctant witness would not have been helpful to the Tribunal and a decision was made not to seek a witness order. On day 1, the respondent made it clear that [it did not consider that Mr Abassi was legally impeded from giving evidence]. In the course of discussions [with Mr Abassi] this information was imparted to him and he has indicated he would be prepared to give evidence. During the course of discussions he expressed nervousness that he was still afraid that it might open him up to [legal consequences] unless compelled by means of witness order to come. There is a discussion ongoing with him. He might change his mind. I will say that I am seeking leave for Mr Abassi to be added as a witness in these changed circumstances [and] [g]iving notice that I may, and will know by the afternoon, whether I am asking for a witness order to compel his attendance. He speaks to short compass. A short witness statement is being prepared.”
“He will speak to the alleged protected disclosures made to him. He will speak to who else within the organisation had knowledge of those protected disclosures. He will speak to the conversations between him and the claimants. He will speak to the conversation between him and other people in the organization specifically regarding the protected disclosures. He will speak to the apparent absence of documentation of those communications. Will speak to who gave the order to dismiss the applicants and to whether that order was motivated by or based upon the alleged protected disclosures.”
“13 October 13. On the afternoon of day three the claimants applied for permission to adduce evidence from Mr Faisal Abassi. It was said he had now indicated that if there was a witness order he would be prepared to give evidence and a statement was being prepared. After reviewing the hearing timetable with counsel, and having regard to the overriding objective, permission was refused. No explanation was given why an order had not been discussed with Mr Abassi before now, and he had always been an obvious candidate as witness; there was a clear disadvantage to the respondent in late disclosure of a witness statement which might require further instructions and preparation; to admit further evidence now, requiring cross-examination on several disclosures of information would make it very difficult to conclude the case in the 10 day time allocation, even if remedy was deferred to a further hearing, and would cause substantial delay in reaching the outcome. 14 October 14. On the morning of day four the claimant applied again in respect of Mr Abassi. It was said first of all that the previous day’s application for leave to call him without a witness statement had not been an application but an intimation of intention to make one, alternatively that this was an application to reconsider. 15. There was also an application for a witness order for his attendance. The tribunal was referred to Remploy v. J Lowen-BulgerUKEAT/0027/18 , on making a witness order. The relevance of the evidence the witness could give must be considered. Other factors must be weighed to assess whether it was proportionate to make or not make an order, having regard to the overriding objective. It was stated that Mr Abassi had now made it plain that he was a reluctant witness. A draft witness statement had now been sent to him and he had refused to reply. 16. After hearing argument the tribunal adjourned to discuss. The application was refused. His evidence was of course relevant to two of the first claimant’s disclosures and one of the second claimant’s, and to alleged remarks about troublemakers, and what not to say to Mr Walchli 17. In exercising the discretion on whether to make an order, the tribunal considered two alternative scenarios. If truly reluctant to cooperate, it might well be that when called he would answer any question unhelpfully, or say he could not remember, or did not wish to reply. He could be compelled to attend, but could not be compelled to answer. If that was the case, his attendance would occupy little hearing time, but was unlikely to assist the tribunal’s understanding. 18. Alternatively, once called he would answer very fully on all issues. That might or might not assist the claimants or the respondents, but it would jeopardise the trial timetable set out by Employment Judge Stout in the first preliminary hearing. Even if remedy was postponed to a further hearing, the timetable was already tight (not least because of the number of case management applications made in the course of the hearing). It was essential that there was enough time within the time allocation for the panel to deliberate and make findings on the many disclosures, and the consequences of those disclosures on the detriments and dismissals. The panel’s other commitments meant that after 22 October they could not reassemble until mid-January 2022, which is obviously undesirable. It had always been clear that Mr Abassi was an important witness, and he had never been prepared to cooperate. Had the claimants made their application before – and there had been four preliminary hearings, the latest in August 2021, where they were represented - a day or so could have been added to the hearing allocation, but that was no longer possible. There was no new factor apparent leading to a need for a witness order. The tribunal concluded it was in the better interest of justice that they should be able to make findings while the evidence they had heard was fresh, not three months later. 19. Consequently, the tribunal decided not to make an order for the attendance of Mr Abassi. As for reconsideration, if he was reluctant to cooperate in giving a witness statement, permission to adduce evidence was unnecessary.”